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Interview with Gabriela Downie

Gabriela Downie is a comic book letterer, cover artist, character designer, and she's setting her sights on video games. You might know her work on Harleen, RWBY, and Punchline.

After a bit of investigating, it turns out you and I share a similar entryway into the world of comic book lettering via DC’s Prepress department. Is that where you got your start in comics? Have you always been interested in comics?

Prepress at DC Comics was my “break-into-the-industry” moment. To get hired I had to pass a competency test, portfolio review and a few interviews. So when I got the position I felt validated as a professional artist.

I figured if I worked my way up, I would eventually end up designing the DC Heroes in the Injustice fighting game franchise, thus why my website is full of colorfully rendered character illustrations. My original goal was to become a video game concept artist. Now I’m using my experience in both fields to chart my own course. 

 

Now, there are some letterers who will read “work my way up” as a dig against career Lettering, but I when I went from Pre-press to Lettering, I saw it much the same way. How do you see yourself using lettering to help chart your path into video games? Do you worry a potential employer will see Letterer on your resume and that will sound the death knell?  

Every skill we artists cultivate serves us, not the other way around. Lettering has helped me master typography and graphic design, and it has already opened doors to television and video/stream content, as a graphic designer, for me. 

If lettering is the field an artist wants to stay in, more power to them. 

That doesn’t grant them the authority to guilt-trip, or “humble” other artists who want to expand or discover other opportunities, because that’s toxic. 

The video game industry has a lot of work to do on their work-culture as well, and I don’t think anyone should chain themselves to a toxic work environment. 

 

You’re a letterer, but I went to your website and I don’t see any lettering. Instead your website showcases wonderful character designs. Most of them beautifully rendered in full color. So, why exactly are you lettering comics, and not doing covers? 

My first Cover just got published actually! Helm GreyCastle Issue 3! But you’re not wrong, took me long enough, right? Well that’s because gatekeeping is a persistent problem in comics. They’ll throw any excuse in our faces to keep us from participating. Luckily Henry is a real-life hero, with a big heart and two functioning eyeballs.
 

You’re work first caught my eye on Harleen, but I’m seeing your name pop up more and more. Can you talk about any of the new projects you’re working on? Are you juggling character design and lettering?

I am currently producing my own original graphic novel. A one-woman-army undertaking, if you will. Don’t ask me when it’ll be ready, art takes all the time it needs.

As for works of art ready to be consumed and adored, I offer these wonderful projects I’ve had the honor of lettering:

Helm GreyCastle by Henry Barajas

Thirty Three by Juan Ponce

Twin Blade by Jarred Lujan

These creatives are the future. So much heart and authenticity in their storytelling, and action! I know talent when I catch myself reading the story as I letter, and these three stories all distracted me,  ha!

Did I mention they were all Latinx/Latine talent? These books bring fresh new perspectives that’ll resonate with all generations. 

 

Can you tell us more on your own graphic novel? Is there a place we should stay tuned for more details? Now that you mention it, why is it important to you that those projects are Latinx/Latine talent? 

For my graphic novel: follow my social medias for more info on that. Like I said, it’s a one-woman-army undertaking, and I’m still drawing the thing!

As for the Latinx/Latine question…We are not here to “profit-off” of brown/minority stories. We ARE the stories, and when we’re empowered to share our voices, everyone wins. Our Ancestors win, our children and grandchildren win, and consumers from different ethnic/cultural backgrounds win as well, because of education and familiarization. It’s 2021, ignorance is a liability and there is no “un-ringing” that bell.

 

From Pre-Press artist to letterer to cover artist with video games in sight all the while doing character designs AND working on your own graphic novel. How are you juggling it all. What is your workflow like?  

I use the Adobe Creative Suite, more specifically: Photoshop, Illustrator and Indesign. The key to “juggling it all” is time management. That means being honest and realistic with myself on how/when I clock in the time for each. That being said, I’m learning to value myself and my self-care. Rest and work time are almost equal, so I need to keep my workload cart updated constantly. 

 

Earlier this month you made some posts to your socials with the hashtag #COMICSARESTILLRACIST I read it on your IG story but readers of this can find it pinned to your Twitter. It was a well-written piece and you take ownership of it as being ‘your truth’, while I can’t relate to your story in terms of race or gender (I’m a white male in a predominately white male industry), I certainly share your sentiment on career growth, pressure, and gatekeeping. Have you faced any blowback from your statements? Has this experience made you think differently about lettering, or comics in general?

I was made to feel guilty for “throwing people under the bus” but it’s nothing personal! At the end of the day, the numbers DON’T add up to anything healthy, or fair. DC knows it gets the most “bang for it’s buck” by gaslighting the ever-loving-shit out of talented, sensitive, LOYAL creators. It’s an abusive relationship for all artists involved, they’re just too broken and BROKE to speak their truth. It’s ok, I am here to beat the drum. Loudly. Absolution won’t be granted until we get paid better, end of discussion.

 

So this sounds more financial, than racial. Wouldn’t a better hashtag be #COMICSARESTILLEXPLOITINGCREATIVETALENT what am I missing that makes this racist? And do you feel it’s about corporate policy, individual editors, group editorial policies, or just the way things are? How can we as a comics community fix it? 

It’s nice when race and economics can be compartmentalized separately, but for minorities, it’s the same thing. Employers that claim to be an ally for minorities, and profit from us, but mistreat, underpay, and exploit our time and energy,  or threaten to, or follow through with ending our careers for petty reasons, are racist hypocrites.  

The problem in the comics is racism/elitism. 

 

I ask everyone I interview…If you could only give one piece of advice, be it for lettering or life, what would it be?      
 

Real Heroes 

Exist…in

Real Life.

 

The characters in media are saturated and seductive, but they are not real. You, the listener, are real. I am real, we coexist in this reality.

How you treat others, and how you allow others to treat you, is the only thing that has meaning.

Don’t work with people who exploit you. Don’t worship entities who are cruel. In real life, the only hero enforcing kindness is YOU. The only hero enforcing fairness, is us. We must demand it, and nothing less.

Website: https://www.harmzart.com/

Twitter: @HARMZ_sh

Instagram: @HARMZ_SH, @GabrielaDownieInComics, @harmz.art @PELIGROSA_cosplay

Interview with Patrick Brosseau

Patrick Brosseau is a comic book letterer, he’s best known for his work one Birthright, Manifest Destiny, Wonder Woman, Hellboy, T-shirts and working on tons of other books for every major comic book publisher, but let’s be real he’s probably lettered at least one of your favorite comics.

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Patrick, let’s take it back to how you got into comics and what led you to lettering comics?

I loved comics and originally wanted to be a comic book artist and attended The Kubert School for two years with that goal in mind. By the end of the second year, it’s a three year school which of course you know but others may not, I kind of realized I’d probably never make it as a professional artist so I started thinking of other ways to get in the biz. I’d always liked the lettering class at the Kubert School taught by the great cartoonist Hy Eisman so I figured I’d try my hand at lettering. So the summer after my second year at the school I sent out samples to various publishers and got a few bites here and there. I was freelance for a few months but then my work started slowing down. At that point I had become friends with another ex-Kubie by the name of Bill Oakley who also my roommate for a while. He was a great artist who at one time inked backgrounds for Bill Sienkiewicz and he was also a fantastic letterer. He had started working in the Marvel Bullpen doing lettering corrections and told me there was an opening there as a letterer and I should come in and try out for it. I got the job on a try out basis and was later hired for the position and worked at Marvel for roughly two and a half years and then went freelance from there. Was freelance for a long time after that, took a job on staff at DC Comics in the mid 2000s, met you there, left DC in 2012 and then went freelance again…whew!

 

So, you didn’t always want to become a letterer, but you’ve managed to make one hell of a career doing it. Simply put, you are one of the best, and someone who made the transition from hand lettering to digital. What’s kept you interested in doing it?

Thanks, Steve, that’s really nice of you!  When I originally made the transition from hand lettering to digital it was mainly about my survival as a letterer. If I didn’t do it I would have been left by the wayside like some older hand letterers were at the time when digital lettering became more prevalent. When I first taught myself digital lettering it was a chore, but when I started working in DC’s lettering department it was at first sink or swim situation but the more I did it the faster I became and the more I liked it. Also, what keeps me interested in it is looking at current work by you, Rob Leigh, Todd Klein, Aditya Bidikar, Nate Piekos and many others for inspiration and ideas. And if I see something I like done by other letterers I like to figure out how it’s done and try and apply that to some of my work.

 

You started out your career as a hand letter and then switched to digital lettering later on. What do you feel are the differences between pen and ink hand lettering to digital lettering?

While I still love hand lettering with a pen and ink, having the art right there in front of you and lettering on it, there are a lot of differences with that approach and digital lettering. Traditional pen and ink lettering brings out a lot of patience within you and there’s a zen like quality to it when the pen is working fantastically on the page. When everything’s working it’s great but sometimes when your pen is catching the page and things aren’t flowing it’s a bit tedious which drove me crazy sometimes. Since switching over to digital lettering in the early 2000s I did apply a lot of what I learned hand lettering to digital lettering. Of course digital lettering is so much quicker compared to hand lettering. I no longer have to rule out the lettering guides on a page, ink in all the borders, whiteout mistakes and other prep things, etc. When I hand lettered it usually took me a week or so to letter a 22 page story, now with digital lettering I can letter the same thing in a day or so. So of course I love that aspect of digital lettering. Also, with hand lettering as far as titles, display lettering and sound effects you’re sometimes limited to just your imagination coming up with different type styles. With digital lettering the possibilities are endless if you have a lot of different fonts to choose from. I still do some of my sound effects by hand though, drawing them out digitally in Illustrator or Manga Studio with a variety of brushes and pens within them. So I have tried to carry over some aspects of hand lettering which I really loved to digital lettering.

 

Any chance you’d consider hand lettering a book again?

I’ve thought about that a few times and my current answer is…maybe? I don’t know if I’d be up to lettering a  whole book though, maybe a short story instead. Takes a while to build up all that stamina and muscle memory lettering a page but once it gets going it’s usually good.

 

Let’s go back to the in house lettering department at the DC Offices. When I started you were one of the senior guys and you got to do the lion’s share of cover copy.  It’s a lettering element that I’ve always loved and I consider myself lucky that I was able to learn directly from you and Rob Leigh. Many publishers don’t even use cover copy anymore. Can you talk a bit about what cover copy is and what’s your process for creating it. Are you still doing any of it?

I loved doing cover copy and it was one of the funnest things to do while lettering on staff! Cover copy, for those who don’t know, is usually a short blurb on a cover that should entice a reader to pick up the comic. Cover copy has been around probably since the 40s in different forms but became very prevalent with DC and Marvel in the 60s and 70s and is still around nowadays but not as popular as it once was. My approach to designing cover copy was to pick a font which suggested what the copy was implying, like if a word was INFERNO then pick a font which suggests fire, figure out which words should be bolder and bigger for emphasis, and then try and pick colors for the cover copy which matched and blended well with the art. I haven’t done any in a long time now but I do use what I learned while doing it in designing titles and  logos.


Your work has always (in my opinion at least) had a strong sense of design. In our field there are a lot of graphic designers who letter and letterers who do graphic design. Sometimes—and my early work is probably true of this—you can tell when a designer is lettering. How do you find the balance between lettering and design? Any tips for designers trying their hand at lettering?

Oh, wow, thanks! I’ve always felt my design sense to be a bit limited because I’m basically self-taught as far as design goes but I think I’ve gotten better over time. I feel you can be a good letterer and equally a good designer and there’s a lot of overlap with the two. Great lettering doesn’t overpower and blends well with a page while great graphic design does the same, be it on a book cover, ad, movie poster, etc. I’m all for designers trying out lettering because the two go hand and hand at times. As far as tips go, I’d say look at a lot of comic books and pick out what you like about different lettering styles and then try and apply what appeals to you lettering a page while not forgetting what you know about design.

 

Speaking of design. You’ve been doing some great Comic Book inspired T-shirt designs over at soundfxstudio.com. Tell us the origin story and can you give us a tease of your next design?

Thanks again! My T-shirt idea originally started out as something else entirely different. At first I wanted to sell canvas prints of hand drawn sound effects I had done. Basically print out different designs on small canvases, staple the canvas onto small frames and then sell those. Once I had done a few I quickly realized it was a little too labor intensive plus it used a lot of printer ink! Also I had no idea how and where I would sell them. I had shown a few of the final products on Facebook and someone mentioned the images would also make great T-shirts. So I did a few mock-ups on my computer and liked what I saw. I did some research on print on demand printers, figured out to how to sell them online and went from there. People really seem to like them which is great and I sold around 400 shirts from March to December of last year! Also, here are a few new design ideas!

 

I ask everyone I interview…If you could only give one piece of advice, be it for lettering, or life, what would it be?      

Don’t sweat the small stuff. Be it something that happened in your regular life or work life. Letting a small thing get to you over time only causes unwanted stress on your mind and body. Life will go on afterwards and you’ll be ready for much more difficult situations in the future.
 

Twitter: https://twitter.com/droog811

Shirts: https://soundfxstudio.com/


Interview with Aditya Bidikar

Aditya Bidikar is the letterer on Home Sick Pilots, The Department of Truth, Coffin Bound, Blue in Green, Hellblazer, and if that’s enough to make you envious, I don’t know what to tell you. 

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Aditya, I always like to ask my interviewees how they got into comics and what it was that made you want to make comics?

 

I got into comics as a writer – I’d been writing prose since I was about 12, and I’d always read comics, but that was limited to Archie, Tintin, and Indian publications like Tinkle and Raj Comics. I came across one of those “Comics Aren’t For Kids Anymore” articles in the film magazine Sight & Sound, and that pointed me towards books like Sin City, Watchmen and City of Glass. It was when I read the City of Glass graphic novel adaptation that I realised how much there was to explore in the comics format as a writer.

 

I started making my own comics with a couple of Indian artists – this would be around 2008-2009 – and since there was no Indian letterer to my knowledge, I had to teach myself how to letter a comic. I found it to be a very interesting craft – it’s such a specific mix of design, typography and calligraphy, and the letterer gets so much control over how the comic is read. So I quit trying to write for a living, and leaned into lettering. It’s only got more interesting to me since then.

 

Interesting that you went from wanting to write for a living to leaning into lettering, I’ve seen you express a desire to letter less and do more with writing recently. This is a sentiment we share but I’ve never expressly said it in public before. What do you think is behind this shift for you?

 

The primary reason I quit writing in the first place was that I couldn’t find a balance between writing for myself and writing for money. I found myself losing what was interesting to me in the first place about writing, and investigating every new idea for commercial viability. That struck me as an unhealthy relationship with the writing, at least for me, so I focussed on lettering because it’s something I enjoy on the craft level – even a bad day lettering is not too bad, while a bad day of writing could be soul-crushing.

 

I took time off the writing – I think I had two or three stories published in the last eight years, and those were written for pleasure. I spent the last eight years investigating that pleasure – what kind of stories genuinely interested me, what did I want the process to be, and so on. Getting back in touch with the love of writing that had made me write one-and-a-half (terrible) novels as a teenager just because it was a fun thing to do.

 

I feel I have a better idea of those things now, and because I have a day job that I also love, I can write without worrying about getting things published or making money off the writing (though that’d be nice), and what I write is that much more authentic and honest for that. Now that I have a better grasp of what I want to do, it feels like the right time to put more time into it.

 

What’s your approach for creating a lettering style on a given book?

 

The first thing I look at when I’m creating a lettering style is the line quality of the artist. I want to do something that matches that, for one thing. Then I try and choose a font that has a similar line quality and weight, but which also suits the mood and tone of the book. I create 3-4 options, combining different fonts and balloon styles, starting with a straightforward style and getting increasingly wacky. The idea is to give the team something to explore – it’s fine if one of the styles is entirely off-the-wall if we like one element of it enough to use it in a different style. Then I sit with the team and we mix-and-match and come up with something we all like. (I follow the design credo of never offering an option I wouldn’t be happy seeing on the book.) Sometimes, though, I see a book and I just know what it needs, and for those (Coffin Bound, for example), I’ll send a single option along with an essay-length email making a case for it, to which I usually get the reply, “Calm down, Bidi. If you feel that strongly about it…”

 

You do some books with traditional hand lettering—despite that being awesome on a purely craft level, what the hell is wrong with you?!—and how do you decide what book(s) you do that for?

 

Haha, the honest answer is, I wanted to learn how to hand-letter, and I find that deadlines offer me a bracing cocktail of clarity, focus and sheer terror. So it was easier to declare I would hand-letter a book, and then figure out how to do it.

 

As with a lot of books I take on, how I decided to do it is more about the people than about the book. Few writers are okay with me saying, if I’m hand-lettering this, I’ll give you digital placements, and that’s the last time you can edit the text. Ram, on the other hand, just went, well, if it’s going to be worth it, sure. And once we’d decided that, he gave me the space to actually learn how to hand-letter, which meant a lot of initial failure. Ram was the one who kept saying, look, we have time, and if you find you can’t do it, we’ll go digital, but for now, why don’t you keep exploring?

 

But I offered to do it for Grafity’s Wall and Blue in Green because I thought that digital lettering would take away from what made these books special. As Ram is fond of saying, certain books need to look like somebody sat down and made them by hand – crafted them – rather than produced them. And there’s a quality to hand-lettering that’s not present in the most organic-looking digital lettering. For these two books, it was that combination of the books and the people involved.

 

Like other letterers, though, I am obsessed with making my process more efficient, so for the second book, I figured out a digital hand-lettering process that retained what’s interesting about hand-lettering while being more editable and taking less time. Hopefully, this’ll make it less expensive for prospective clients, and perhaps there’ll be more hand-lettering in my future. Even now, I’m planning to hand-letter at least one graphic novella in 2021, both because the artwork feels like it needs it, and because the writer (for once, not Ram) felt strongly that we should try and hand-letter it.

 

Philosophically speaking, comic-book fonts have democratised both comics and lettering, and I think that’s a good thing, because I started out ten years ago (whew) as a digital letterer who couldn’t have hand-lettered at gunpoint. But as the form progresses, we shouldn’t lose what was great about the old way of doing it. Right now, other than John Workman, I can’t think of anybody who hand-letters comics who is a full-time letterer – Dustin Harbin, Kurt Ankeny, Galen Showman, Stan Sakai are all artists who occasionally hand-letter comics for themselves or other people – and I think it’s a pity that when people want hand-lettering, they don’t immediately think of professional letterers. The next step for me, I guess, is to be good enough to letter on the board. More terror. Yay.

 

You’re—in my opinion—one of the best letterers around. Part of that I think is due to your respect of the craft itself, it’s history, and your ruminating on what good lettering is going forward. Where do see the craft in five years? Ten? Are you still a letter that likes to write, or a writer that used to letter?

 

Thank you so much, and likewise – you have been an inspiration to me, and I love how versatile and investigative you are in your work. Each book you do is distinctive and interesting in its own way.

 

Speaking in general, I feel like comics lettering five years from now is going to be much more alive and energetic as a field. You can see it in digital colouring right now – the kinks of how things need to be done on a basic level have been figured out, and the artistry is showing through. Five years from now, I see lettering being the same. In one direction, more people will be hand-lettering – digitally and on paper. At this point, I think I’ve managed to get the method down to be as cost-effective and production-friendly as possible, and I’m sure people like Harbin and Ankeny have their methods, so it’ll continue to get easier. In the other direction, what digital lettering means will also evolve. The direction for that lies in things like the contextual alternates that Nate Piekos is using in his recent fonts, and in Photoshop integration for sound effects the way Hassan OE and Thomas Mauer use it. Lettering in Illustrator, we are limited by how much we can touch the art, but I’m sure the process will evolve and we’ll see far more organic things happening digitally. The basic “house-style” work – I don’t see that changing or evolving much in that time, but around the edges, I think things are only going to get cooler and more interesting.

 

Ten years is more difficult to gauge. Either we’ll get the credit and recognition we feel we deserve, or it’s robots all the way. Who can tell.

 

Personally, the other aspect of my cutting down on lettering work (other than writing) is that I want to learn type design more systematically. I’ve been playing with the software for a few years now, and I’ve made 4-5 fonts that I use in my own work, but I think it’s time for me to get serious about it, do some learning, and set up my own foundry. Hopefully five years from now, that’ll be in full swing, and you’ll see my fonts being used in comics alongside those from Blambot and Comicraft. Ten years from now, I’m a hermit who lives entirely on the passive income that generates. Fingers crossed.

 

But I definitely see myself as a letterer who writes, because I can’t make writing my main thing again – it’s too stressful, and I’d rather do it for love.

 

Can you walk us through your process for hand-lettering? Don’t spare any nuts and bolts.

 

I have written detailed accounts of the process for both Grafity’s Wall and now Blue in Green, but those are intended for non-letterers, so while you get a sense of my aesthetic exploration from those, I haven’t written about the actual nuts-and-bolts process, and I’m delighted that you asked, because I’m going to assume it’s all us letterers here, and I don’t have to hold back.

 

Grafity’s Wall:

I’ve written about how I landed on the right size and style in the process post, so I’ll skip that and go straight to how each page was lettered. (You can check that out here: https://unbound.com/books/grafitys-wall/updates/writing-between-the-lines)

I would get the tiff file once the inking was done, and I would add crop marks to the edges, blow it up to A4 height, and then knock out the black and replace it with a light cyan (this is why I preferred working on the inks rather than the colours). I’d print that out on cartridge paper to letter on it.

In the meantime, I’d do a digital placement file for Ram (yes, I’d be lettering each page twice, but this version was always really sloppy) using a font that’d take up around the same amount of space (I think it was J Scott Campbell Lower from Comicraft). We’d use this to edit the dialogue, because we couldn’t fix anything other than minor typos once the book was fully lettered.

Based on those placements, I’d draw guides on the printed-out version of the page (this was when editorial placements suddenly started making sense to me), and I’d pencil out the dialogue to make sure I wasn’t covering faces or anything important. Then I’d letter it, and this bit didn’t take too long – it was everything that came afterwards that was the real pain in the ass and I constantly wished we had production people for this like in the old days.

Once the lettering was done, I’d scan the lettering, knock out all the cyan so only the black was left, and I’d use the crop marks to resize this down to comics size and align it with the page in Photoshop. Then I’d set the lettering layer to multiply (so the white would disappear, and the black would overprint correctly – this was also when I’d apply a threshold action to make sure the black was 100K and not rich black), and I’d fill in the balloons with white on a layer beneath that (this was my least favourite part, and I’d always make sure to do this over colours, because there’s nothing quite as annoying as the art showing through bits of your balloons and then having to check every page).

(The sizing up and sizing down was for two reasons – first, Anand drew the pages at A4, and I wanted to react to the art as he’d drawn it, and sizing the lettering down makes it looks smoother too.)

I drew the sound effects on paper too, so I’d take those to a separate layer and colourise them and play with them digitally so they looked organic. Ideally I would’ve liked to hand those to the colourist to mess with, like you’d do with proper hand-lettering, but I don’t think the process could’ve accommodated that.

The chapter titles were all digitally done in Photoshop, and I convinced myself that was okay because old-timey hand-letterers would occasionally use printed type in their work. Still, one of those was digitally hand-lettered and the other was a font I cobbled together based on an old Bollywood movie poster, so I like to think I wasn’t slacking off.

Once all the pages were done, we did a round of catching typos and egregious mistakes, and I still have a piece of paper somewhere with what looks like random words and phrases that I then scanned and used to make corrections.


Blue in Green:

Again, details on the aesthetic choices are in the process post, I’m just happy you used the words “nuts and bolts” and let me run wild. (And you can check that out here: https://adityab.substack.com/p/strange-animals-26oct2020-feeling)

I lettered this on the iPad, and used the time between the two books to get any kinks out of the process, so this one was smooth sailing.

I made a page in Photoshop with guides spaced at 2mm height with 0.5mm leading (I tend to letter inside the lines, so the usually recommended 1mm leading was far too tall for me), and I exported that to Sketch on the iPad. We did digital placements again (this time using CC’s Ask for Mercy), and after Ram’s notes, I used that to get a sense of the stacking while I lettered on the iPad. As I noted in my process post, some pages were lettered before the art was done, and for those, I had to guess at the stacking and then fix it while compiling in Photoshop later.

I tested out a bunch of custom brushes and tweaked them endlessly to get the right one. I did a few print tests before we started making the book to make sure it didn’t print too thin or anything like that.

Once the basic lettering was done, I used Photoshop Sketch’s integration with Creative Cloud to access the files on my laptop. There, I’d downsize the lettering from 600dpi to 450dpi, to match the art dimensions and, again, so it smooths out. By this point I had a nice little Photoshop action set up that’d create all the layers I needed for the work. I’d paste in the letters, and use the pen tool to draw balloons. Then I’d go over those to create the borders (as you can see in the book, the balloons and the lines are deliberately slightly misaligned).

As you can see, the process not only had fewer steps, it was also shorter and more flexible. With Grafity, I think I could manage 6-8 pages a day, while with Blue in Green, it was more like 10, which is getting close to my normal lettering speed.

 

I ask everyone I interview…If you could only give one piece of advice, be it for lettering, or life, what would it be?

 

This is advice for creative people that I think applies to everyone else. It’s fine to have ambition and goals with what you do, but when you’re trying to decide what to dedicate your life to, make sure you enjoy the daily grind of it. It’s no fun if you want to be a novelist but hate sitting down and putting the words in. Results are occasional, but the process is daily. Make sure you like the process.

https://adityab.net/lettering/

Interview with DC Hopkins

*This interview mostly took place over the course of 2019 on the Lo-Fi Fonts Monthly Newsletter.

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DC, you’ve lettered for IDW, Dynamite, Lion Forge, Black Mask, Disney, Tor, Vault, and others. You’re a staff letterer for Deron Bennet’s AndWorld Design group and you co-host two podcasts. Sounds like you’re a busy guy. So when you told me you were going to quit your job to pursue lettering, I assumed you already were lettering full time.

So, why are you quitting your day job?

Ha! Fair point. I actually have been lettering full time for awhile, but I’ve had a second full time day job as well, primarily for the insurance. Professionally speaking, I’ve been lettering since 2013 but I’ve always had the day job in the background (although, ironically, most people at my day job didn’t know about my career in comics). For the past 3.5 years, my day job has also been from home. This allowed me a lot of flexibility to get things done at both places, which meant I was able to keep increasing my lettering work load.

Why lettering, and why now? 

It’s always been my dream to do lettering full time ever since I realized back in 2010 or so that lettering was what I wanted to do with my life. Since the age of 16, I’ve always held down a job, but discovering my love for lettering was the first time I felt a sense of ambition with the work. I wanted to learn, I wanted to improve, and I wanted to chase the challenges that were in front of me. And that’s honestly what still fuels me to this day. I think most things are as easy as you want to make them, and lettering was the first time that I wanted to make things more challenging for myself so I could keep getting better. As for the “why now?”…it was a combination of the normal life necessities (insurance, savings, etc.) getting worked out, as well as that personal sense of taking my work to the next level kicking in yet again.

Now that you’re ready to take it to the next level, have you set any goals for yourself? Any challenges you’re preparing for, or concerns you might have?

Definitely for all three categories! With the concerns and challenges in mind, I’ve tried to mold my goals around them in a way that allows me to continue to push myself creatively, while mitigating the stress that comes with the transition.

Creatively...

• I want to work with at least three new publishers whom I haven’t worked with in the past. This might happen organically of course, but I want to continue to push myself to reach out to new places and network more.

• I’d like to work on an impactful book this year. Not necessarily that it has to be high-profile (although obviously I wouldn’t turn that down!), but something that has people talking and generates some buzz. Whether that’s for quality reasons, social messages, or otherwise.

• I want to continue to promote and grow AndWorld Design, Deron Bennett's studio that I'm a member of. I've very proudly waved that banner since I started lettering for Deron and with the rest of that crew, and I know he has exciting things happening in 2019. Keeping that badge and staying tight with the group is a priority for me.

Financially...

• I want to continue to have a better grasp on what exactly I should be paying for my quarterly taxes and have a deeper understanding of how I should adjust in either direction. We’ve met with an accountant who will help with this piece as well, but I want to continue to learn more and more about the fiscal side of being a freelancer this year, both when it comes to taxes and also fine-tuning income going from one account to another.

Personally...

• I want to establish a (relatively) loose schedule for my work days to balance efficiency and time with my wife and 2-year-old son. One of my primary concerns with quitting my day job was ensuring that I don’t immediately lose myself in the lettering, potentially causing damage to our family as a husband and a father. I know that I have trouble saying “no” to projects, so I want to try and find a loose rhythm within the first quarter.

• I want to double down on good health-related habits. A healthy diet, daily exercise, an attention to proper posture and working conditions, and an attempt to get a full night’s worth of sleep.

How was your first month as a full-time freelancer?


In one word…hectic. For a variety of reasons. Some that I expected and planned for, some that I expected and didn’t prepare well enough for, and finally some that were totally unexpected and random. Things started out well enough…I posted a two-page comic I’d made (check it out here) and sent to my day job co-workers as both part of my goodbye email and also to show them what exactly it is that I do as a comic book letterer. It gained a surprising amount of traction and attention on Twitter which in turn led directly to some new jobs with both indie creators and an established publisher (BOOM! Studios). Because I wanted to keep this positive momentum going, combined with my fear of quitting my day job, I was accepting EVERYTHING that came my way haha. Looking back, I can tell that I took on too much. I had the best of intentions that first week to start off with all of my positive habits in place that we discussed in the last newsletter (life/work balance, good health and sleep patterns, etc.), and after one day of doing things well, I was back to staying up till 2:00 AM each night drinking coffee and working late. A couple of weeks later I was getting better at balancing things and getting used to the new routine, and things were falling more into place.

That’s when a pipe froze in our bathroom and burst through the wall, flooding half of our downstairs and causing damage extensive enough that we now have to replace all of the flooring!

Throw in my son and wife both getting sick (including an ER trip for the kid), and things got extremely stressful VERY quickly. I say all of this, not for the attention or sympathy, but simply because it was my first brush with these sorts of stressful situations in an environment that was already scary and new to me. Having to handle and work on all of these new challenges while still trying to get work done and keep up with deadlines was really tough. I’m only now starting to feel like I can breathe a little better again. Three weeks ago I was on the ground with a Shop-Vac trying to get all of the water off/out of the floor, and all I could repeat in my head was “You total idiot. You quit your job. Why did you quit your job?!” over and over again haha. With some time and distance, I don’t have those same feelings of fear and stress. Financially, I can see that switching to freelance full time is working, and we’ll be good. So I feel more personal fulfillment and happiness when it comes to my career than ever before.


Has going full time revealed any obstacles you didn't plan for when you decided to make the jump?

Definitely! I didn’t really think about planning for the unplannable (which isn’t a word, I know, but go with me here). That sounds silly and, obviously, it’s impossible, but the concept that sometimes things will happen that prevent me from being as productive as I’d like to be is one that I hadn’t accepted or anticipated. As much as this last month has sort of sucked, I’m glad that it happened now because it was a huge lesson which allowed me to grow through the stress. With a day job, especially a salaried one, if circumstances outside of work get truly difficult and you have to step away to deal with them, that’s relatively easy - whether you take a personal day or have to use some vacation time, you can set that aside and come back to it later and things stay on the tracks. But with freelancing, it’s all on you. The deadlines don’t care if life has just roundhouse kicked you in the face. All of that being said, I also learned that bouncing back and making things work even when it gets tough is doable. It might mean a few extra late nights or early mornings, but you do what you gotta do, and you get things back on track. It was a good lesson to learn.

With con season upon us, let's explore what's worked for you?

With 2019 in full swing, one big aspect of being a self-promoting freelancer for me has been determining A) how many cons to visit during the year, B) which cons to visit, and C) how to receive the biggest return on investment (financially and otherwise) at the cons I do attend. Up until a few years ago, this aspect of the freelancing gig was one that gave me a lot of stress, primarily because the idea of cold-calling and “networking” (quotes because that term is often used so vaguely that it loses all meaning) was something that I have zero natural ability for. Operating professionally in known work environments and interacting with other co-workers? That’s easy. Walking up to someone I’ve never spoken to at the after-hours “bar con” and striking up a conversation? That sounds like a special sort of torture.

So here are some of the things I’ve learned that have worked for me when it comes to attending cons as a freelance letterer!

1. Research the connections you do have with other attendees of the show BEFORE you go. This one is easy and doesn’t cost you much of anything beyond a little bit of time in the days leading up to the convention weekend. I go through all of the guests on the website’s listings (including and especially Artist Alley!) and make note of which names I recognize in a professional capacity. This doesn’t have to be as direct as you’d think. Obviously writers and artists that I’ve lettered with I’ll make a point to stop by their booths and introduce myself, but I’ll also do the same for friends of friends or other ancillary professionals. Do we follow each other on Twitter? I will make the introduction and find out what they’re up to at their table, what they’re currently selling, working on, etc. I always make sure to lead with my full name and what the connection is to, that way there’s not any sort of awkward pause where they feel like they’re trying to remember how they might know me. I make my way through Artist Alley at least twice during the weekend, stopping by tables and making those connections where appropriate. People tabling always seem to welcome the interactions too, if for no other reason then it breaks up the monotony of being tethered to their location all weekend.

2. After/before-hours networking outside of the show is a must. This one is a little harder to make happen sometimes because you never know what’s going to be going down for sure and you have to be pretty flexible and willing to adapt. While the convention is, typically, as organized as possible with the uniform lanes of booths and tables, the stuff happening outside of the con is much more impromptu and you never know who is going to show up where. This is why you have to be willing to be out and about with the people! The amount of connections I’ve made simply from being out there is pretty high, and I never expected any of them to happen when I walked into the location. As chaotic and unappealing as something like “bar con” can be to some of us, especially those of us with more anti-social tendencies, it’s where people are getting to know each other and social connections are being formed. Social media can also be pretty helpful here in terms of finding out where industry folks are congregating if you don’t already know someone who will be there. And last, but definitely not least, we also always have each other as fellow letterers to reach out to!

3. You don’t have to attend EVERY show, but try to attend at least 1-4 during the year if possible. I’ve attended C2E2 every year since its inception, but only in the past few years did it become more of a business trip and less of a thing I attend as a fan (although I still make a little time for the fun stuff too!). Because of my familiarity of that con and proximity to Chicago, combined with the size of the show itself, this became one of my staple cons to attend every year. Last year I added in NYCC which I found to be incredibly rewarding as well - it is attended by a lot of publishers, both indie and otherwise, and the amount of face-to-face introductions and conversations I had while there was worth the trip alone (and the annual Letterer Meet-Up too of course!). I try to keep some availability during the rest of the year open for other shows that either present themselves with a specific incentive to go, or ones that are large enough and will have professionals in attendance who I’ve worked with but haven’t met in person, etc. I don’t subscribe to the idea that the only way to get work is by attending cons all of the time and making contacts in person. We’ve all gotten plenty of jobs through social media and other online connections to prove that theory wrong. But I do think that having a physical presence helps maintain and strengthen existing professional relationships, as well as provides an advantage in recruiting new clients and industry-based connections. Too many of us in the industry are adverse to any sort of communication other than email or other text-based methods. I understand why this is, but taking the time to connect with people in person at conventions is huge for many people. It’s all about making the relationships strong.

So for C2E2 this year, I…
• Researched ahead of time and discovered there were about 10+ tables I knew I needed to stop at.
- About half of these were creators I’d worked with over the past year(s), but hadn’t met in person.
- A quarter were folks I’d met in person before and work with currently.
- A quarter were people who I had minor/tangential connections to over social media and wanted to introduce myself.
• Knew from years past that the Hyatt bar attached to the convention center was the place that most industry people would meet up at each night, so that was a good place to make some connections/have a drink.
• Also stopped at publisher booths where I’d done work in the past. This is a good place to meet editors and other folks who work more behind the scenes and it’s great to get to know them as well.
• Happened to learn the hard way that bringing a toddler to a convention makes all of the above points approximately 4x harder to accomplish, so there’s a bonus lesson for all of you parents with young kids! ;)

DC, what's going on? We took a month off and it's already the end of May. You're closing in on the halfway point of your first year as a freelancer. Are you hitting the goals you've set for yourself? Found challenges you didn't anticipate?

It’s crazy to think we’re already midway through 2019, but you’re right! This time has flown by. So far, things are going great! Although I always want to knock on wood whenever I tell someone that because I know how quickly things can change. I’m very grateful that my official start to full-time without a day job has been busy from the jump. In terms of my goals, I had originally broken them down into three key categories: Creative, Financial, and Personal. On the Creative side, I’ve met my goal of wanting to work with new publishers already through a new relationship with BOOM! Studios, a book currently in the works over at Image, and my first story over at DC in a recent Titans 100-Page Giant. I still have a few publishers who I’d love to work with in 2019, so I’m trying to keep the momentum going, but this was a goal I did not anticipate to hit so quickly, and I’m grateful that the opportunities arose. For my Financial goals, things are going well there too - meeting with our accountant has been incredibly helpful and I now have a better grasp on getting into the more minute details of saving for my quarterlies. Lastly, on the Personal goals side of things…not as much success haha. My schedule is still all over the place and I get in work when I can find the time. I know that a big part of this is that for at least half of the day I have a toddler at home with me, so I’m trying to accept it as much as possible while still attempting a “normal” schedule whenever I can get it. Because of the chaos, the healthy habits have been tough as well. I’m still able to get to the gym 3+ times a week, but the diet and posture habits aren’t as consistent. That’s my current main focus I’d like to shape into a dependable routine.

What books are you currently working on?

Right now I’m lettering Sina Grace’s new monthly book for BOOM! called Ghosted In L.A. and it’s been a ton of fun working with that team. I’m also finishing up Vol. 3 of Brandon Sanderson’s White Sand OGN for Dynamite, and I just finished two more OGNs for Lion Forge and Humanoids respectively. I’m still trying to get used to the unpredictable rhythm of being a freelancer…one minute you’re buried with work, the next you’re all caught up while you wait for more pages to come in. It used to just fill me with anxiety, but now I’m kind of enjoying the insanity! :)

DC, it's been a minute since we talked. How's it going? Are things more or less going as planned, or has life taken your plans and made toilet paper out of them?


Hey Steve! Honestly, things are going pretty well. Any time where I’ve sensed a lull is coming on, something comes up, or a new client appears, and things get busy again (which I am incredibly grateful for, as always). One thing I’m learning is that for me at least, the last third of the year is becoming more and more con-heavy. This means a little bit more financial planning so that the travel expenses aren’t hitting me as hard all at once. Definitely doable, but one of those things I couldn’t really plan ahead for that I’m learning as I go.

Have you learned anything new about yourself that you maybe thought you wouldn’t?

The biggest lesson right now that I’m trying to learn is that my mental health is just as (if not more) important as my physical health. I’ve made some great strides in the physical health and fitness side of things - getting to the gym every day, eating super healthy, getting the right amount of sleep (most of the time) - but one area I’ve lacked until recently has been taking care of myself mentally. I think therapy is a good thing for anyone and everyone, regardless of what’s going on, but for me personally, it was something that I finally realized I needed to start doing. I won’t get into all of the depressing details, but from a lettering perspective just trying to find the right balance between work and family has always been a challenge, and taking steps to take care of my mental health has helped in many ways. I’m still very much in the thick of it and to be totally honest some days I feel like I’m struggling more than ever, but the most significant difference is that I’m working on it now and I have plans in place to help me work toward those goals. Before recently, I was just relying on myself to make everything work without any “training” so to speak, and it was quickly becoming clear that it wasn’t a viable long-term approach. So take care of yourselves, people! :)

With the end of the year in sight are you still excited about lettering full time as a freelancer?

Absolutely. It’s weird cause I often tell people that a pivotal day for me some years back was the day that I sat down to letter and realized I just didn’t feel like doing it right then. I wanted to go do something else like read or watch a movie or play video games. That moment was a strange one for me because, up until then, I loved lettering ALL of the time, without fail. But I forced myself to stay at my desk, and I loaded up my files and did the work. That was a pivotal day for me because, contrary to popular belief, doing what you love can be and often is STILL WORK. I love lettering comics, I love doing design, I (sometimes) love creating logos, but sometimes I don’t. And I sort of love that too. I know it means that the honeymoon phase is over and that I’ve found the internal resolve and willpower I need to be consistent at making this a career and profession. So I say all of that to say: even without a day job looming in the background as I did before this year, it still excites me that some days I have to prod myself to get going because it means I have a career in comics now that I value so much, both from a creative POV and a financial one. It means a lot to me.

DC, thanks for sharing your journey and being candid about it all. Let me point out that it seems DC is learning a lesson that took me far too long to learn--mental health--especially the work/life/family balance. If anyone takes away one thing please let it be that. Find the balance and define the balance. The time you take away from your work might be the best thing you can do for your work. 

Hold on boils and ghouls cause we have one more cat to skin! I mean, time for a very important question with DC Hopkins!

DC, this has been your first year as a full-time freelance letterer and I'm dying to know…what…is…your…favorite Halloween-ish thing to do?

I’m a HUGE horror/Halloween/spooky stuff fan, so I’ve been all about the Halloween mood lately. For things to do, it’s been cool to see all of the staples (trick-or-treating, pumpkin patches, haunted houses, etc.) through my kid’s eyes since he’s 3 now and at an age where all of that stuff is new and fun to him. In terms of books, earlier this month I finished Hell House by Richard Matheson which I absolutely loved. It’s a great haunted house novel with some edge to it and a lot of fun technology at play that feels very ahead of its time, especially since the book was published in 1971. I also watched the 1973 film adaptation and really enjoyed it too! Probably the thing that I love the most is finding old commercials and television specials from the ‘80s and ‘90s to have playing in the background while I work. On an emotional/nostalgia level, that stuff takes me back to my youth the most. Along those same lines, I also usually watch the WNUF Halloween Special which is a lot of fun!

Looking back at your first year of freelancing, how do you think it went? Any final takeaways or insights you can offer someone looking to do the same?

Looking back, I can safely (and fortunately) say that my first year of being totally self-employed went incredibly well, especially considering how much trepidation and anxiety I had first stepping into it. It wasn’t without its challenges of course, and many of those were outlined throughout our conversations throughout the year, but all of the preparative steps we took before making the transition were what set me up for success. Other veteran letterers and creator friends in the industry were especially helpful in answering questions and encouraging me from the jump, which I will always be incredibly grateful for. 

I’ve already had other lettering friends reach out to me asking your latter question and I’m happy to share what really worked for me. The first thing, easily, would be to save up (at least) a few months’ worth of pay to cover bills and other items in the event that creative work dries up after you make the jump. This gives you some breathing room so you’re not immediately having to go back to trying to find a day job if lettering and design jobs get lean. Secondly, speak with an accountant if you haven’t already done so. Their expertise and insight is invaluable in helping you best plan out your estimated tax payments, determining the most efficient write-offs, and other important items that can be intimidating and confusing to try and figure out on your own. Third, seek out a support system of other creatives if at all possible. AndWorld Design is the primary network for me in this way: studio mates and co-workers who are my first stop if I have questions about pretty much anything related to the job. But other creator friends on social media are super important too, and I’ve also made steps to connect with local Indiana-based industry folks which was creatively energizing in a way I didn’t fully expect. Finally, be bold, but be smart about it. Too many inspirational memes and quotes throw caution to the wind in a way that I think can be counterintuitive. You CAN make this work, and you SHOULD put yourself out there and take risks…but a bit of preparation and calculation is only going to tip the scales in your favor once you make the leap.

Last, but not least, let me thank YOU, Steve, for doing what you do in the industry and being a great example to the rest of us. Putting together a monthly newsletter in the way that you do, with the amount of content you provide, is a big task. Between your insights here, your fantastic fonts, and your work in general, you’re an important piece of my network and I know the same is true for many others. This has been a total pleasure chatting with you for so many of these months - I look forward to buying you a beer whenever our paths cross IRL! :)

Something I ask everyone I interview…If you could only give one piece of advice, be it for lettering or life, what would it be?

One thing that my dad taught me from a young age is that we don’t grow during the good (or easy) times. While we should appreciate the good times while we’re in them, the growth happens when we’re being challenged and when things aren’t easy, and that’s when we need to take stock of what’s happening so we can learn how to grow. This is one of my biggest life takeaways, but it also applies to lettering in a big way. For example, just earlier this week, I was challenged at AndWorld with a bad lettering habit I had been doing for literally YEARS that I didn’t realize was incorrect. It was sort of minuscule, and imperceptible probably to even most letterers, but it was a hit to my confidence and took me a second to gather myself and realize that I shouldn’t push back or be defensive, but to understand and learn from it. Moments like this are invaluable to me as it only helps to improve my work and, hopefully when taken at the macro, my life!

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GIG-A-TRON!

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So you got your first gig--congrats! It probably feels a little surreal. You've loved comics your whole life and fought tooth and nail for this moment and you made it happen. You got your first page rate, and damn is it low, but that's okay cause you're in the biz, kid! Enjoy the moment, and if you're talented, pleasant, organized, and a little bit lucky you'll have many more moments like it.

Okay, you've lettered your first comic and are now getting acquainted with the editorial and proofreading process. Hopefully since this is your first gig they aren't re-writing the entire book on you, but it happens (and don't worry, we'll eventually talk about that BS here). You manage to fix all the mistakes, and yep, there are bound to be some. And yes, even you will have made mistakes on your first book. That's okay, I still make mistakes, too. Just try to improve every time. There's a thin line between mistakes and messiness and your editor will let you know if it's the latter. Anyway, so you've delivered your final files and the job is done. The payment is on the way. Now what?

Now, you should be leveraging this gig into as many gigs as you want to take on. Start with your editor or publisher you just delivered your first work to. If they're happy with your work and you in general they will use you again. The thing about comics is that they always need to be lettered! But Steve, how?! Well, just ask. Ask your editor if they have additional work you can take on. If not, do they know of any other editors in need of lettering? No? Don't fret, don't be annoying about it, and as soon as you can show the world your first book. Post it to your socials, share it with your friends. Talk about your positive experience with the work and how much you'd like to do it again. Tell people you're looking for work. Reach out to other creatives, other letterers and ask if they know someone looking for lettering (or whatever it is you do). Leverage this work in all the ways you can, while being sincere, non-spammy, pleasant, and professional. 

And that really should be enough to turn one gig into another. Rinse and repeat.

WHAT ARE YOU WORTH?!

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First off, this is not some self-help mumbo jumbo about self-esteem, but self-esteem and how you value your self and your time absolutely affects your overall worth. Now, for the sake of this piece I'll be focusing on determining if a page rate can work for you and if it doesn't what--if anything--you can do about it.

So, despite your parents protests, you've decided you want to letter comics. Let's assume you have a solid foundation on how to actually do this and you've proven to yourself you can do it well. You've put your work out there, submitted samples, and hey! someone has just offered you your first gig. Congrats! 

The client has neglected to tell you what your page rate is, and being the smart individual you are, you ask them, "what's the rate on this?" They reply, and it's 10 dollars a page. It's probably not the answer you were hoping to get, and you respond asking if it's possible to get more. Turns out to be no. This is your first gig after all, and it's with a smaller--but reputable--publisher. Now you have to ask yourself if you're worth that? Are you worth more? Chances are you're worth more, but you decide you love comics. The project is a good fit for you, and you're just excited to get your first professional credit in a comic book. It really is a great feeling. Enjoy it, be proud of it.

You now have a baseline page rate. 10 bucks a page. There's probably 22 pages in the book. If you're decent at math that's 220 dollars. Factor in 30% for the tax man and you're going to take home 154 dollars to letter that book. If a client offers you less than 10 a page, walk away. Seriously. In my opinion this is the bare minimum page rate even a beginner letterer should take. 

Now the gut-check begins. Can YOU realistically make that page rate work for YOUR life. You seriously need to take a look at your ability and speed. At this rate, speed will be your best asset. Not only to get more work, but to make the most efficient use of your time and page rate. If you can develop a workflow that moves you speedily through pages, while delivering GOOD work this will develop your overall ability as a letterer but earn you the ability to get more work and command a better page rate. Why? Because you're worth it, and you've proved to your client your worth it. Now, it may take you some time but if your persistent and consistent it will happen. (You have to ask of course.)

Let's say you're able to letter 4 pages per hour. Instead of looking at it as a page rate, you could change the way you look at the project to an hourly wage. Now, you're making 40 dollars/hour (don't forget the tax man!) that's not bad. Also keep in mind time beyond the initial page. Keep track of how much time you spend on communication with your client, on corrections, proofreading, re-writing, file delivery and then factor that into the rate. Is it still worth your time? How can you make it so that it is? I have no easy answer there, that's really up to you. But if you really want to be a letter, speed is the name of the game. Speed kills.

Interview with Corey Breen

This month we’ll be talking with letterer and designer Corey Breen. Corey has lettered a variety of titles for numerous publishers including DC Comics (Batman Overdrive, Teen Titans, Doomed, Firestorm), Boom! Studios (Bravest Warriors, Fraggle Rock), IDW (Samurai Jack, Sonic) and AfterShock Comics (The Normals). He is currently doing more design than lettering, especially for AfterShock as their Book Designer and Collections Production.

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Corey, you were a fixture in the NYC DC Comics offices as a senior pre-press artist and one of the first folks I got to know in my time there. Always full of enthusiasm and excited about comics. You were lettering for awhile and then took a job outside of comics, but now you’re back and designing books. Where have you been and are you returning to comics full time?!

 

First of all, hi Steve, it’s really great to talk with you again! As to your question, you got most of that right, but it’s way more complicated then that. To really get into what I’m doing now, to me at least, is a much longer story. One that I actually like telling, though. I do get a bit long winded though, so please feel free to reign me in.

I started my career in comics after college. Scratch that, I actually interned at DC Comics in their Production department my senior year of college (Syracuse University’s College of Visual and Performing Arts, BA in Illustration). They liked me a lot, and actually wanted me to stay, but I went back to finish my senior year and graduated. I kept in touch with them and a couple months after graduation, they hired me full time. I worked on covers in the Production Department but made it known I wanted to be in the bullpen working on the books themselves, doing art and lettering corrections. This was back in 2000-2001. I made that switch and I knew immediately that I was where I wanted to be. We still did everything by hand then. We did art corrections on the real boards sent in by the artists of each book. We did hand lettering corrections over hand lettering as well. The key was to always match the style of the artist and letterer and make it seem that it had always been that way, not knowing we had changed anything, even though we did. The process was really cool actually, but time consuming. Comicraft was just getting started and was really the only one doing computer lettering then. They would send in their final files though a hard copy and we would cut them out and paste them on the boards. Everything was still done manually up until about 2004, I think. Marvel had started digital lettering before we switched over, but we adapted at DC, and started doing everything on the computer in Adobe, no longer on the boards. Anyway, back to me (hah ha). I worked with some incredibly talented people over the years, including yourself, and eventually DC created their own lettering department, of which you joined with the likes of Rob Leigh, Pat Brosseau, Jared Fletcher, Phil Balsman and Rob Clark (sorry if I missed anyone). I really thought about joining, especially later on when Sal Cipriano, Taylor Esposito, Carlos Mangual, Dezi Sienty, and others came aboard. It was a really great group of people. But my love was always art first, so I stayed in Pre-Press, where I still got to do lots of lettering anyway, mostly corrections for the lettering department when it came time to put the books together.

After 13 years at DC Comics though, a lot more things came into play where a life in the comic book industry became more difficult. As you know, the pay was not really great, Manhattan was beyond expensive, I got married, moved to Queens then Long Island where the commute got really tough, too. The financial crisis hit and my wife lost her job and we had my first son, Tyler. It became clear that we had to really evaluate our life and every aspect of it. I had asked DC for a promotion again and when I didn’t get one, I had to make a difficult choice to follow my wife’s career to another state, leaving a job I loved. Most difficult decision of my life. I moved to Virginia with my wife, Kristy, Tyler and three cats and became a stay-at-home-dad until I could find something down there. I reached out to all my contacts I left DC with, like Rob Leigh and, well, you. Rob hooked me up BIG TIME with some indy creators who needed production work and design. I also found a small company called Paradigm Press (now defunct) which I did my first lettering gig, which I’m still really proud of to this day. You hooked me up with Boom Studios and Bravest Warriors. That was what really got me going.

But as I started these freelance jobs (I couldn’t work with DC again yet, for their policy was that I had to wait a full year from leaving to do any work for them again), I realized that doing that and caring for my son was really not doing it for me. It just wasn’t enough. I missed having a day-to-day job. The daily grind of freelancing, finding work, doing your own marketing, sending emails trying to find more work so that I could make a living at it was really tough. So I started looking for full time jobs as well. I knew I could take my time doing that because I was getting steady comic work and I didn’t want to just take any job just to have a job again. Especially since I was used to working for one company for 13 years with DC Comics. I’m a loyal person and not one to jump around from job to job. If I was to go back to full time work, it had to be something really good and really worth it.

Well, I got a job in finance. Yes, finance. And before you say anything, yes, i know it’s strange. But hear me out. I had a recruiter contact me and said she found a company that needed a designer and I should think about interviewing with them. She told me it was in finance, and although I had a couple of siblings in finance at times, it was a strange idea for me to go into it. But I took the interview anyway, keeping an open mind, mainly because I know that every company needs a designer and design in that sense is universal. Long story short (too late, I know) the interview went fantastic. They decided to take a chance on me, and I decided to take a chance on them. Honestly though, I had no idea what I was getting into. It was actually pretty brilliant on their end though, which is why they are such a great company. They said, ‘you handle all the design work we need, we’ll teach you the finance world’. They were basically thinking outside the box in hiring an artist who they could use for their needs despite me not being from their field. It was tough though, I started the job and went through a really rigorous, four month training process, learning everything I could possibly learn about finance. I was working til 8, 9, sometimes 10pm for about a year. It was big learning curve but paid off because it’s an awesome job and am still there, six years later! I’m a one-man design department for the entire firm and I work on numerous projects that are really fulfilling as a designer and an artist. All the while, I was still working in comics! I freelanced comic work on nights and weekends. I worked a full 8-9 hours at my full time job and then I would go home and letter books from about 9pm to 1, 2am in the morning. Then work some on weekends. I was a machine. You know me, Steve, so you know my work ethic.

That is what I continue to do still to this day, but have gotten better at managing my time and finding a better work/life balance. I’ve been doing less lettering this year, so that is one reason. I thinking lettering is so much more taxing on the mind and body because of the tight deadlines, faster turn-arounds, and skill involved.

So to answer your question, I never actually left comics. I just quietly worked my ass off and basically what I do now is work two full time jobs.
 

You’ve been a pre-press artist, letterer, and designer. Do you think your background in pre-press has had an impact on how you approach lettering, or design?

 

Oh, for sure. Definitely. I think it’s really important to know every aspect of making a comic book, even if you don’t have the skills to do each part of it. I hear Taylor talk about it a lot on Twitter actually, and I totally agree. He always says that writers should really try to letter a book, or look over their letterer’s shoulder sometime. They need to understand how it works, and I think that applies to every aspect of comics. I think you remember me at DC and how I used to get upset that a lot of Editors didn’t even know what we did to make the books complete. I mean, seriously, they didn’t. They would say it was magic. But, as you know, it wasn’t. It was hard work. It’s hard work making these frackin’ books. We do it cause we love it, but man, there are easier professions, we don’t go into comics saying, “this will be easy, I’ll give it a shot”. I think all my years of experience has taught me that being an artist is more then just one thing. Every aspect of making a comic, or if I talk about my job as a financial designer, a pitch book or conference presentation, requires knowing art, design, composition, typography, style guides, color, storytelling, pacing, technical skill, time management, businesses skills, marketing, self promotion. It’s pretty crazy actually. But at DC, or AfterShock, I feel I can take on any job. For example, lettering. Am I as good as Jared or Pat, or Taylor? You? No, no way, but I’ve been there since hand lettering days and the beginning and evolution of digital lettering, and was trained by the best of both. Working with Todd Klein and Clem Robins, Rob Leigh, Comicraft and Nick Napolitano back in the day, at DC. I love lettering, but it’s really hard and there is a lot of competition now, as well. I’ve never been it for the recognition or anything, I think you know that about me, considering we were basically ghost artists and letterers when we were in Pre-Press. It was always about making great books.

To me though, it’s not just about lettering. I love lettering a book, yes, but I also want to do it’s design. I want to do its logo. I want to do its Production. All of it. (I secretly want to do its art, but so far that is one thing that has eluded me, unfortunately). Point being is, I think we are like Liam Nielsen; we have a certain set of skills…hahaha.

Right now, because of that competition and a real big talent pool, honestly, I’m finding it so much harder to find lettering work. Because I’m not as well known, because I’m not the best, or don’t promote myself as others do, whatever it may be, I find lettering jobs hard to come by now. Even at DC where I’ve worked for 19 years (that one year off). Part of it is because most of the top letterers are just so amazing at it, and deserving so, get the higher profile gigs. All the people I mentioned, and more, are just killing it right now. Which is fine. Do I wish I could have more lettering gigs, or at least have my choice of a title or two, be sought after or requested by? Sure. I would like to work on one or two really high profile books at some point in my career again, yeah. But on the other hand, I’m fine with my place in the industry. I am content with just getting consistent work and producing top quality work quickly and efficiently. I’ve built up my reputation with the people who know me and that is what I am most proud of. That is what has led me to AfterShock actually. Since I fell in with AfterShock, I’ve been extremely happy with doing more Design and Book Production for them. Many people may not know, but I’ve been working on some really awesome books with AfterShock, like Animosity, Jimmy’s Bastards, Dark Ark and more. I also do the design for AfterShock’s Diamond Previews listing every month. It’s fantastic.

Lastly, i wanted to mention that I’m working on a Sci-Fi book for Antarctic Press and it’s exactly up my alley and I’m having a blast with it. As I get older, I’m trying to get to a point where I’m picking my own projects to work on, or just working on projects that I feel I want to work on or am a good fit for. I look at you for example and I see you working on some of my favorite books right now. I mean, Descender, DAMN dude, sooooo good. Gideon Falls? Damn. And I see others working on books like Isola or Low, Black Science, Batman, Southern Bastards, and Curse of the White Knight, I hope one day I get to work on a book or two like that. If not, so be it, I’ll ALWAYS do my best on the book that is in front of me, for sure. But I’m also an artist and a comic book lover and I know the books I love and would love to work on.

 

How did you end up designing for Aftershock? Is it difficult to design for a company while doing it from your home studio?

 

Two words. One person. Mike Marts. When I left DC Comics in 2013, I bugged Mike for months leading up to the date I could return to work for DC after their one year policy. He was still the head of the bat office then. He left DC, but kind of kept his promise and got me lettering work on Batman and Robin Eternal on his way out. After he left, I kept in touch. He finally let me letter an AfterShock book, called The Normals. It was a mini-series, and I had a blast doing it. Great book, please check it out if you haven’t read it. It got optioned for a movie, recently, too. Anyway, I asked for more lettering work but he asked if I would be up to designing a special one-shot book for Animosity. It was a who’s who type book and I would have free rein to design it from scratch. It was called “World of Animosity” and I’m still super proud of it. After the success of that book, he gave me their Diamond Previews Catalogue Section to design and I worked on that which led me to doing the trade collections and now their whole collections production and book design. I would be remiss at this point to mention that the incredible John J. Hill was AfterShock’s designer before me and I still use a lot of his designs. He is so brilliant and one of the most amazing designers out there. I took up where John left off at AfterShock and honestly I’m just trying to not mess it up too much. Mike Marts continues to push me to do more and thats been great. Mike and I have a great relationship and we trust each other. That is key. i think honesty is very important in this industry. I don’t like being messed with. I just don’t have time for it. Just tell me how it is, what you want and when you want it by and I’ll do the best I can do. Thats my guarantee. Mike understands that and I think why we’ve been working together for so long. I know what he wants and he knows what I’m cable of, so it works. I think you understand that a lot, too, Steve. Once you build a trust with someone, you become they’re go-to-guy. My hope is that if I always give something my best effort, that it shows in my work. I let the work do the talking, and hope theres give me a chance based on that.

I love designing for AfterShock and we continue to get better. If you are not checking out they’re books, you are really missing out. I recommend the hard covers of Baby Teeth Year One (lettered by Taylor, by-the-way), Animosity Year One and Year Two, Jimmy’s Bastards (I think some of my best work is in this book, where I did this really cool sketchbook section in the back design pages), and the soon to come out Rough Riders complete collection (lettered by Sal).

Being that it's Halloween, what's your favorite movie/book Halloweenie-thing to do this time of year?

Ah, yeah…Hmmm. I’m not the biggest Halloween fan, honestly. I was really good at costumes when I was little, but I don’t get that into it that much anymore. I wish I could carve awesome pumpkins like I see online, but I don’t like getting messy and it’s really frustrating to me. I do like to watch holiday centric movies in general, so I’ll always watch my favorite movie respective of that holiday. For Halloween, it is the movie Halloween. The original 1978 movie. It has always been a favorite of mine. I was never a fan of Jason movies or Nightmare on Elm Streets, in fact those scare the bejeezus out of me. Straight up horror movies are tough for me to watch. The Shinning and the new IT movies are awesome, but they’re not Halloween specific though, are they? Really, I’m just ready to start new traditions with my boys though. I’m psyched for that. So whatever new traditions they want to do, I’ll adapt, for sure. 
 

I ask everyone I interview…If you could only give one piece of advice, be it for lettering, or life, what would it be?      
 

Been looking forward to this question actually, and I think I set it up earlier when I was talking about the fact that I still work what is essentially two full time jobs. I also have a 8 year old and a two old, so I’m freakin’ exhausted, lol. It’s really all about what you feel you can handle. I know by now what I can handle. I work 5 days a week at my full time job, get home about 7pm. Eat quickly, put my 2 year in the bath and then to bed. Then I get to work on my comic jobs. I work from about 9pm until I finish. Sometimes that is at 12am, sometimes 2am. Then I do it all again the next day. I can handle that. I’ve been doing it for years. But I gotta be careful because sometimes I do get run down. Sometimes I do say, “you know, I just want to come home and watch a movie, or play video games”. I am a workaholic and I’m still working on that. I don’t really want to be someone who works all the time. I’m getting older now, that is getting harder to do. It’s not really healthy either. Even though I love comics, and will always make comic books for someone or just for myself (working on my own stuff always but its hard to find time for it), I do realize there will come a time when that model for me is not sustainable anymore. But until that happens, I do a pretty damn good job of managing my time and I know my limits. I still spend the weekends with my family and kids and only really work when the kids are finally asleep. I am a huge night owl and usually always get a 2nd or 3rd wind somehow, someway. I get everything done I need to get done. Work first, then play has has always been my m.o. since I was a child. I don’t think I have ever missed a deadline, for 19-20 years I’ve been working. In Comics or in Finance. Hah. In other words, I’ll keep doing what I do until I can’t do it anymore.

For other people, you have to find out what you are capable of. Find your ideal schedule, your ideal workflow. And know your limits. Also remember that people are relying on you, and you have to come through for them, and always do the best possible job you can do. Will I ever letter like Dave Sim (my favorite)? No, but I know I’ll give 110% to any job I take on. I think being reliable, being professional, courteous, and honest and up-front is so important. I pride myself on treating people with respect and 

In closing I do want to say that what’s best for me is not what is best for everyone else, or even anyone else. I found that comics needed to be side job for me. I wanted to have a family, I wanted a house, I wanted money and give my kids things I didn’t have when I grew up. I feel if I stayed in the comic industry I wouldn’t be able to do those things. So I was lucky in the sense that I got to work my dream job for 13 years, and I even though I “left”, I still get to do what I love. I have an incredible day time job that takes care of me and my family, and yet I still get to make comics too. I am able to have the best of both worlds right now.

I’ll never knock anyone’s idea of how to make it in this world, but for me, it became clear that comics alone wouldn’t cut it. Somehow, someway, I am to make that work. A lot of the time I have no idea how I do it all. I really don’t. I surprise myself. I don’t how long I’ll be able to keep that up, but for now, I’m in a really great place. However you do it though, make sure you put your blood, sweat and tears into it, because to me, thats what really matters. Why bother if you don’t do that? If you don’t love what you do, as hard as it is sometimes, still give your all. Then at least you can proud of what you do and say, yeah, I gave it my all. If you have a bad day, wake up the next day saying “today is gonna be AWESOME! I’m gonna kill it!” If that doesn’t happen, so what, tomorrow is another day to try all over again. You can never go wrong with that approach in my eyes.

Lastly, find time for things you love. Life’s too short to talk about things that you don’t like or don’t enjoy. It’s why you don’t see me online as much as others. Know why? Because I’m working, for one, I don’t have time for non-sense and silly arguments. But the free time that I have is spent reading, playing with my kids, playing video games, going outside, watching sports and swimming. Take out the negativity in your life, because there are so many things to do in life and to enjoy!

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Interview with Taylor Esposito

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Taylor Esposito is a graphic designer and letterer. He started working in comics in 2007. He’s worked for Marvel, Random House, Bottled Lightning, Valiant, and DC Comics. He’s currently working on Reanimator/Vampirella, Red Sonja, and Army of Darkness/Bubba Ho-Tep.

Taylor, you started working in comics in 2007 at the Marvel bullpen. Can you tell us what led up to that, and what was it like to work there.

Honestly, it was a bit of happenstance. I was out of college about 8 months, and had just left my seasonal job at the end of the year, when a good friend from college who was working in the bullpen called me to tell me about a temp job with Marvel for a few days/a week. The job was digitizing the comics for what ultimately became Marvel Digital Unlimited. I was there for a few months, learning bullpen responsibilities during that time. I eventually transferred to the bullpen proper and worked my way up to assistant to the production manager. It was a great experience, as I ended up learning how comics are put together from the end of the line. That job started my interest in lettering, which I picked up after I was laid off in 2011.

You’ve worked for most publishers already and have a massive amount of credits to your name. What’s the secret sauce to you being so prolific?

Hard work. I come from a very blue collar family, and the old world work ethic was instilled in me at a very young age. I just applied that work ethic to my career in comics. I also try to be as good to my collaborators as possible, as well as being as fast as I can. I never thought of myself as one of the best letterers, but I always try to make up for that with my professionalism and speed. The rest is that folks seem to want to work with me, for some reason I’ll never understand. Haha.

Being the horror hound I am, I’m a little jealous of some of the titles you’re working on. Do you look for horror projects in specific, or did your current line up converge on it’s own?

Haha, likewise, bud, some of the stuff you work on I’d kill to work on. I don’t look for them in particular, it kind of just falls into place that way. A lot of my friends and collaborators are horror folks as well, so when they request me, it just happens to be horror books. I guess my love of Halloween and the spooky doesn’t hurt my cause either.

Do you approach lettering a horror comic differently than say a superhero comic?

I try to approach every book as it’s own thing. Obviously, there are staples of super books that we use on those that we don’t use on horror, for example, but I start every book by looking at the art and reading the script to get a feel for the story, mood, etc., and then building a style guide from there. I try to give every project as individual attention as I can. Sometimes, we are given a basis from editorial to start with, but even with those, I try to put my spin on the projects as much as possible. The way I see it, I’m on this project for my skills, viewpoint, and taste, and as much as I can, I will put that into the book.

Have you ever had any conflict with what you wanted to bring to a book and what an editor/creator had in mind?

Fortunately, this hasn’t happened often. I’ve been very lucky to work with wonderful editors who also want the best for the projects, so their suggestions have usually been for the better. As we all know, sometimes we are too close to a project, and need a set of fresh eyes to see things properly. Even the few times it hasn’t worked out that way, it usually opens up a dialogue and a compromise is found. The wonderful thing about comics is that it is a team coming together to achieve a unified vision. I thrive on the collaborative process, and love to help bring a teams vision to life/completion.

Can you tell us about Ghost Glyph Studios?

Ghost Glyph Studios is my lettering/design studio. I started it in 2015 when I left the DC staff (due to the move to California) to keep working on comics and expand to other fields. I’m a graphic designer by trade/education, so I want to keep doing that as much as I can. It’s be an incredible ride watching the studio grow and the kind of projects I’ve gotten to work on as a result of it. Since starting the studio, I’ve begun training interns and even bringing Dezi (Sienty) to work with me on occasion. It was named for my love of Halloween/horror and spookiness, and incorporates a reference to lettering, as glyphs are what each letter/number/symbol are called.

(Dezi is awesome. Great call there!) What are the benefits of creating a studio and what goes on in the background to maintain it?

The benefits to a studio, at least as far as I’ve found, is a bit of insane baseball. With a studio, you definitely have business and tax help that keeps work and personal life separate, which as many freelancers know, can be a logistical nightmare at times. The behind the scenes is a lot of rigid work scheduling. Emails and bookkeeping are first thing in the morning, make sure the machine is running smoothly, followed by assigning work to those that need it. Once all the business side is done, the fun begins. I keep things separated like this to make sure there are few interruptions to the creative process. Another useful aspect to the studio is when you are looking to start business with companies, or hire interns, etc., is that the studio adds a bit of legitimacy to your business. When I freelanced the first time around, it was just under my name, and it always felt a bit like a college student just looking for a random project. It also allows for branding, which many of my clients seem to be attracted to. Having the studio has allowed me to branch into merchandise like t-shirts and enamel pins. I’ve been lucky that I had an example to learn from from my father’s business. I’ve just switched out automotive for comics/design.

Being that Halloween is tomorrow, it’s time for some serious questions…

Favorite horror movie, novel, and comic?

Hmm, Evil Dead 2, The Shining, (cheating) Babyteeth.

You have the chance to pin Ash against any opponent, who, and why?

Myers. Of all the 80s horror monsters, Myers is probably the scariest, as he just doesn’t stop, and isn’t really fueled by any magic, like Freddy or Jason. If Ash can’t taunt him, how can he possibly beat him. If not, Ash teams with the Monster Squad as adults versus the all the Universal Monsters.

I ask everyone I interview…If you could only give one piece of advice, be it for lettering, or life, what would it be?      

Specifically for lettering, but it does apply to life: It’s hard work with a long road ahead, and lots of amazing, well-trained, and respected colleagues working on 15-20 books each and every month. If you really want to be a letterer, you’ve gotta be as good and indispensable as possible. Lettering isn’t an easy way into comics. In fact, it might be one of the hardest.


Thanks to Taylor for talking shop with us this month. Be sure to check out his Ghost Glyph Studios: http://www.ghostglyphstudios.com/

Interview with Warren Montgomery

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Warren Montgomery has been making comics for thirty years with a laundry list of publishers he’s worked for.  He’s lettered Adventure Time, Over The Garden Wall, ‘Namwolf, Galaktikon, Hillbilly, Regular Show, RuinWorld, and many many more. His self-published titles include; Monty’s World, John Kirby: Firefox, and Fun Adventure Comics!.
 
Warren, you’ve been doing this for thirty years, can you take us back to the beginning? When did your love of comics begin and how did you get your first start?
 
For as far back as I can remember I’ve always loved comics and cartoons. As a kid I use to copy comic strips like Beatle Bailey and Charlie Brown on card board boxes. Later, as I got into comics, I began drawing panels from comics like Spider-Man and the Hulk. But, instead of drawing their characters, I would make up my own characters. My favorite artist were Jack Kirby, John and Sal Buscema, John Byrne, Jim Aparo and George Perez, and letterers were Sam and Joe Rosen, Ben Oda, John Workman, Tom Orzechowski, Ken Lopez and my number one favorite was John Costanza.
 
After art school in the early 80s I, like most, began drawing pages and submitting them to Marvel and DC. I even submitted pages from the Marvel Try-Out Book. But nothing happened from the inks and lettering I sent in, just a lot of rejection letters. My first published work was a Green Lantern Guy Gardner pinup in Amazing Heroes #127, 1987 in the letter column. The first official gig was in 1988 for an indie publisher who gave me a 4 part, 10 page sci-fi series called The Exiles (unrelated to the Marvel series) to draw. Unfortunately the story was never published (until I started self-publishing in 2012) and only 3 parts (30 pages) were done.
 
My first published work was in 1991, a book called Dartman. I penciled and did lettering for that.  Not the greatest thing on earth. After that, I spent a lot of time lettering for indies like Boneyard Press (known for their Jeffrey Dahmer books) and London Night Studios where I lettered most of the early Razor stories and designed the original logo. There were many more, I didn’t make a list of what I worked on back then. My hand lettering wasn’t the best, but I got by.
 
Current books include: RuinWorld, The Great Wiz and the Ruckus OGN, Ben 10 OGN for Boom! Studios, Hillbilly: Red-Eyed Witchery From Beyond, Spook House 2 from Albatross Funnybooks, Stan Lee’s Lucky Man for T Pub Comics. Plus, stuff of my own.
 
Was lettering something you picked up along the way from your love of comics, or was it something you learned in art school?
 
Although I did go to a local Portland art school (now defunct) in 1980 after high school, it had nothing to do with comics. Hand lettering was something I picked up by studying comic book letterers like John Costanza, John Workman and others. I just was never as good as them, but it all worked out okay in the end for small press. Submitting work as a letterer was easy to get gigs compared to penciling or inking samples which I did a lot of. As time went by I started using the comic book Whiz Bang (yes, the floppy disk Whiz Bang font) to help speed things along. Sometimes I would even mix that with hand lettering on a book.
 
How do you juggle lettering, coloring, and Will Lill Comics? Do you love one more than the other?
 
I love doing both! When I got back into comics after a short break in 2010 I had very few real gigs and a regular job. What I did have took precedence over my own stuff which was very few. Now, that I work full time at home things are much different. Mornings are usually for other companies, while evenings are mine or vice versa depending on my deadlines. I might start lettering a book, then move over to coloring when I have something or practicing. I don’t normally get to bed until 1 or 2am in the morning. Up about 7 or 8am, Monday – Friday, weekends only when needed. I know how many pages I can letter and color per day, so I’ve learned to pace myself. Besides that, I’m preparing books for print, drawing art for comic cons and writing stories. I try to keep busy.
 
How do you approach a page of lettering versus a page of coloring? Any major difference from how you would have approached it in the past, by hand? Also, what was your hand lettering process like?
 
My hand lettering approach was easy. Just an Ames guide and a good nib. I can’t remember what size nibs but I would use a variety. I would pencil in most of the text and balloons then letter over for most panels. Nowadays I usually spend a few minutes formatting the script and setting up my Illustrator template. I don’t use fonts for SFX that much nowadays, basically I’ll do them by hand (in the computer) because I think it looks more organic and different from everyone else. If I do oddly shaped balloons, I sometimes will do those by hand for each panel rather than creating presets. I can usually, without interruptions, get a book done in a day.
 
Coloring is a different beast. Depending on what I’m working on, for me or for others, I’ll do flats myself and take shortcuts. I never flat every object, just the important items. Other times I’ll send pages to my flatter. But I do prefer to do them myself (I’m probably the only colorist that enjoys it. Haha). On average I can do 3 to 5 pages per day. If I’m lettering pages I color, once I finish those pages for the day, I letter them. That way I can send out color and lettered proof files all at once. Saves me time from coloring first then lettering them.
 
Speaking of hand lettering. Do you ever get clients who want something done by hand?
 
Nope. Pretty much everyone I work with is younger than I and never had to deal with getting hand lettered pages. Haha.
 
I have John Kirby: Firefox on my Kindle Fire. It’s a fun book that reminds me of the comics I grew up reading. How did you come to publish it? How do you pick what titles to publish and when?
 
Thanks for the support. Firefox, like most of my original characters, began in the late 80s and 90s. Around 1998 I had written a 3 part series then just called Firefox in hopes of finding a publisher for him. The only thing I drew was the logo (no computer needed). I put the story aside and continued to work a regular job. 
 
When I started self-publishing, Firefox was my top choice. I rewrote it and added the name John Kirby (from legend Jack Kirby). The stories I wanted to tell are good, fun superhero adventures the way I remember reading them. I loved stories by Len Wein, Marv Wolfman and Bill Mantlo and the great fun stories they wrote back in the day. I liked characters that changed into another person to become a hero. I’m not trying to reinvent superheroes, just want to have fun creating all-ages superheroes stories. 
 
I would love to have more stories of JKFF, but doing an anthology like Fun Adventure Comics! takes up lots of time. I have enough stories for FAC! (which I’m glad to say is becoming popular at ComiXology and at comic cons), I’m committed to releasing them monthly until February 2019. Afterwards, back to the happy world of superheroes. 
 
Do your self-published titles ever conflict with your lettering/coloring work for other publishers?
 
Nope. I’ve learned to manage. Some months are better than others.
 
I ask everyone I interview…If you could only give one piece of advice, be it for lettering, coloring, or life, what would it be?     
 
Love what you do and do what you love. To survive in any industry you must be dedicated to your craft. Practice, practice, practice, practice and be patient. Hard work does pay off, but only if you want it.

Thanks to Warren for sharing his insights. Check out his self-publishing imprint Will Lill Comics: http://www.wlcomics.com/

Interview with Ariana Maher

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Ariana is a comic book letterer currently working on Flavor, Prism Stalker, Outpost Zero, Circadia, Nancy Drew, and Sfeer Theory.


Ariana, let’s start at the beginning. How did you get into lettering? At what point, did fandom become career motivation?
 
Back in 2010, I read Scott McCloud’s “Making Comics”, where he explained how important it is to find the balance between words and pictures. From there, I started seeing comics in a whole new light. 
 
In my free time, I began goofing off with Adobe Illustrator CS3 – getting a grasp of vector shapes and reading any tutorials and tips I could find online about lettering and design. Some of the best articles were from Balloon Tales, Blambot, and Jim Campbell’s incredible blog. I needed material to letter and my friend, colorist Donna Gregory, was drawing a webcomic, so we goofed off together as I slowly taught myself the process.
 
For a while, I simply considered it an odd hobby… but then I read Thor: The Mighty Avenger #4. There was something magical about it – how the entire creative team worked at their best together to create such a memorable story. Rus Wooton’s work on that book deeply inspired me – instead of simply for fun, I wanted to start cultivating my hobby into a new skill. I wanted to be a part of the creative teams and help make comics that I’d enjoy.
 
Building up my skills, I started working with Jayd Aït-Kaci on Sfeer Theory and it has been one of my most enjoyable ongoing book over the years. Eventually, other creators started to get in contact with me. In time, I started working with several creative teams for different publishers. At this point, I feel that the time and effort I’ve put into lettering is now rewarding me with fulfilling work and a full schedule. 
 
Anyone who comes across your work, or portfolio, will notice your books tend to have a unique look all their own. I love when I see lettering that is tailored to a book’s needs (I especially love the tails on Firebug). How do you develop a lettering style for a new book?
 
When I start a new project, I take the elements I’ve used for previous lettering templates as my skeleton and then I put some fresh meat on those bones. I test out different ideas until I find a style that feels natural for that particular book and meets the creators’ expressed needs. I don’t know if I succeed often, but it has grown easier for me to make a judgment call and feel good about the result.
 
Sometimes the creative team already has ideas of how they would like the lettering to be and that gives me direction. For Firebug, Johnnie Christmas liked the style of my lettering in From Under Mountains, so I started building the style from that template until I formed a more unique look. On Prism Stalker, Sloane Leong wanted to draw from her manga inspiration with fuzzy free-floating thought balloons and multi-color captions, so I developed a completely new style based on the manga she shared with me and we went back and forth on different techniques until she was happy with the result.
 
Without suggestions from the creative team, it’s all on me. Usually, I build the style up based on the book’s theme and the artwork, such as the line weight used in the art. Thicker lines could mean heavier fonts and strokes. Thinner lines may mean a lighter feel to it overall. 
 
Flavor was a fun template to build because I started on the first issue when Tamra Bonvillain’s colors were already completed. I love the way she gives the background a paper texture and the foreground a cell-shaded look. When I first saw that, it gave me the impression of watching an animated feature or reading a comic in the Sunday paper. The latter idea stuck with me, so I made the balloon stroke heavy to go with Wook Jin Clark’s lines and then cascaded the balloons without uniting them, a bit like drawing out dialogue in newspaper strips.
 
There are occasions when the font carries the lettering style best and I build around that. Blambot’s Spinner Rack font is beautifully constructed –the clear, legible appearance turned out to be a lovely fit for Outpost Zero, a YA Sci-Fi story from the perspective of scientists.
 
What are some of the things you consider when taking on a new title, and being part of a new creative team?
 
My considerations have a lot to do with personal interest, collaborative relationships, and – most importantly - time. 
 
I hold down two jobs: a day job that automatically absorbs 40 hours per week and my freelance lettering work that takes up a good chunk of the rest of my free time. Healthcare and rent is expensive, so my day job keeps me safe and sane – but lettering is my passion, so I dedicate myself equally to both. 
 
Since I have less time available than I would if lettering were my sole career, I have to be careful about how many books I can work on without overworking myself or overlooking the quality. In my experience, about half a dozen books per month (my current amount) is as perfect a work balance as I can hope for.
 
So time is a major factor for me. If the general timeline works for me, I’ll consider a book. From there, if the creative team features people I’ve worked with or have dreamed of working with, that’s a big deal for me. In addition, if the concept for the series is something I would put on my pull list if I saw it in Previews, then I’m already onboard, eager to get started. Every book I’m working on right now are comics that I feel terribly passionate about.
 
When I have to turn a project down, it’s usually something I would want to work on but I can’t – and that’s due to timing. I have to be careful not to overextend myself. Fortunately, I have a growing list of letterers that I recommend to the creative team for them to consider instead of me. I don’t want a client to restart their search for a letterer empty–handed - I want to make sure they know that great talent is accessible to them, so it helps to point them in the right direction. 
 
I usually have a good idea of which person to recommend to a team based on the style of a project, but it helps to know if that letterer is available to take on more work. So I appreciate it when fellow letterers mention when they are looking for new projects on platforms like twitter, since I can help spread the word.
 
Many of your current titles are out via Image Comics, do you prefer to work with creators directly? Has DC or Marvel come knocking yet?
 
Working with creators directly helped me establish my little corner in the comics industry thanks to word of mouth. Going forward, I hope to keep working with creators directly, though I’ve found that working through editors and assistant editors has been pretty fun and rewarding too. I enjoy the rapport I get to build within creator-driven teams and I also appreciate how editor-driven books keep the process focused, so I don’t have a particular preference to one or the other. Both are enjoyable. 
 
So far, I’ve worked with Image Comics, Dynamite Entertainment, Hiveworks, Skybound, and Boom Studios. Those have all been positive experiences, but I don’t know what it is like to work for DC or Marvel. Perhaps it is much the same, but it could be wildly different. If they ever do come knocking, I’d definitely give it my best shot because I am curious to learn from such an experience. 
 
However, getting hired by one of the Big Two isn’t my particular career goal, so I’m not waiting for any knock at the door. The projects I’m working on right now are what make me happy, so my current goal is to do more of whatever this weird, wonderful thing is that I’m doing right now.
 
Having a day job presents some obvious hurdles in being available for publishers, and creators as a letterer. How have you gone about setting boundaries between the two, and have you had any struggles in keeping those boundaries?
 
Communication is very important. My creative teams are aware that I have a day job and also other books that I work on. They know my time is limited and they also know that I value the time that I work on their books. Likewise, my co-workers know that I have a freelance job in a different field. In fact, when I get comp copies in the mail, I often share them at the office. They’re big fans of Flavor!
 
It’s not a weakness to admit I hold down two jobs. In fact, by being clear about it, collaborators do not expect me to produce finished work at the snap of their fingers. They set a deadline, I confirm that time frame with my schedule, and I turn in the pages on the agreed time. If something unexpected comes up, I’d speak with them as quickly as possible. If they suddenly demand results well before the agreed deadline – I can either refuse due to scheduling conflicts, or I charge extra per page for the shortened deadline. Communication and contract agreements are some of the most important tools a letterer has to set up clear boundaries and trustworthy relationships.
 
Don’t be afraid to push back when necessary. It’s good to form relationships in the industry to build your career, but if someone makes unreasonable demands and you fold to them without protest, then what is to stop them from doing it again and again? If editors and creative teams know where you stand and respect the value of what you contribute to a book, they will hear you out.
 
On the flip side, thanks to finding a balance between the two, I’ve discovered some benefits to the situation (aside from retirement savings, I mean). There are times when my day job is frustrating, so coming home and getting into the zone to letter a series I enjoy is the best way to relieve stress! I did get into lettering from what was originally a hobby, after all. 
 
Conversely, when I get really stuck on the design for a page or if I’m not quite sure how to develop the lettering style for a new book, taking 8 hours out of my day to force myself to be somewhere else and do something completely different lets me put those thoughts on the backburner. When I start a day unsure of how to tackle a lettering conundrum, I often end up having new ideas percolating by the time I get home in the evening, ready to start lettering.
 
A few weeks ago I noticed some tweets you had posted.  More or less they were about being the right fit for a book. What goes into your decision making to determine if a book is the right fit for you?
 
I think each letterer – especially those who have grown experienced and relatively confident in the profession – bring something unique to the table. And that unique quality can be the sum of one’s skill and limitations. I think it’s important to identify my strengths and understand how to negotiate with my current weaknesses. Having a clear idea of what those are helps me decide whether to join a project. 
 
I can be a good fit for a book for one or many reasons. The book could appeal to me as a comic book reader. It could be a challenge I’d be excited to tackle. It could be a project where the creator wants to dig in and help guide my lettering style right down to the minute details – that approach seems to work fine for me, since I’m pliable and always willing to give experimental lettering ideas a shot. I find that I’m a good fit when I’ve built friendships with the rest of the team. If we’ve previously worked together and it was a good experience, I’m quick to join any new project with that creator, if time allows. 
 
Have you ever had to leave a project after realizing you were on the wrong book, with the wrong people?
 
I don’t believe I’ve actively decided to leave during a project. Nothing quite so dramatic. Early in my career, I’ve had a few difficult projects where things weren’t clicking and I’ve had to power through to the end, but I learned from those experiences. 
 
Through that, I learned that if I’m not passionate about a book, then it’s more difficult to motivate myself to put in the time I have available. It’s poor business to limit myself like that, but it’s also something I have to be honest with myself about. I find it difficult to leave a book after getting started so, for me, it is best to identify any issues as early as possible and make a decision before I find myself in the thick of it. Seeing past my ego to acknowledge my limitations is both fairer to me and to potential clients.
 
Also, I’ve learned that if something is not legit about the client, I end up regretting that I didn’t listen to my gut. So I try to keep on my toes. For one thing, I’m wary of anyone who implies that “exposure” is as important a reward as payment. The one client I had (early in my career) who insisted I would get “exposure” as a letterer was quite quick to short-change me on my work. I was so naïve.
 
Don’t feel bad about that, most of us have come across clients offering exposure or some other form of non-payment.

Something I ask everyone I interview…If you could only give one piece of advice, be it for lettering, or life, what would it be?    
 
 
Center your professionalism in empathy. It helps you understand, forgive, move forward, and be a better person to yourself and also to others – including your creative teams, editors, and fellow letterers.
 
There’s plenty of pressure put on letterers since we are one of the last steps in the process before going to print. We are aware that shit (i.e. deadlines and associated stress) tends to roll downhill, right to our feet. There’s frustration because we are often not credited well enough (on covers, in reviews, etc) to acknowledge how important we are to making comics look good and read well. There’s a perceived scarcity of work due to how much we have to hustle to reach the notice of editors, get invited onto creative teams, and build up a sustainable amount of ongoing books to be successful. It’s easy to fall into lonely cynicism and it is hard to muster empathy. But if you take the hard path, I believe it rewards you ten-fold. Instead of seeing a bleak rat race, you start to see a warm - and rather geeky – lettering community. After all, I believe we letterers have our hearts in the same place: despite numerous frustrations and difficult deadlines, we love comics.

 

You can follow Ariana over at Twitter: https://twitter.com/CommentAiry

And check out her website: https://www.arianamaher.com/

Interview with Greg Lockard

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Greg is a freelance editor who just completed work on 3 Floyds: Alpha King for Image Comics with Brian Azzarello, Nick Floyd, Simon Bisley, Ryan Brown, Jared K. Fletcher, and Rob Syers. He’s currently working on a new volume with a new artist and a few other pitches for independent publishing. Before life as a freelancer Greg was part of the editorial staff of DC Comics’ Vertigo imprint.
 

Greg, can you explain what the role of an editor is?

An editor is a project manager, a proofreader, a brainstormer, an art director, a therapist, and (hopefully) a well-informed and supportive reader.

The daily tasks vary greatly but the main goals are to keep the book on schedule, keep all members of the creative team working and help them all do their best work to create the best comic book possible.
 

Other than being a freelance editor, you’re also a writer, and in general, a creative type. Do you ever find yourself wanting to add your voice as a writer/creative into the work you are editing?
 

Wow, this is a great question. I never want to add my voice but the goal is to contribute my viewpoint and allow the creative team to make their own decisions. So, there’s a level of influence, but hopefully done in a way that empowers the creative team and pushes them to do their own best work. I’m sure at times I’ve made mistakes in my opinions but they are always offered in the hope of helping the creative team, the audience, the entire experience. I try to keep my voice completely separate from things I’m not writing. 
 

Part of your job as an editor at Vertigo was to bring in writers to pitch and produce new series’ for the imprint. Can you explain and de-mystify this process? At what point do you start thinking of the rest of creative team, and MOST importantly, the letterer?
 

This process might have modified or changed in the years since I left Vertigo but while I was there I was constantly looking for new ideas, new talent, new pitches. The process is itself an entire newsletter!

The lettering (and title design) is one of my favorite parts of the process, so even though it was generally later after the pitch was approved and on the publishing schedule, I would try and ensure a good creative fit between the letterer and the rest of the art team— matching or complementing styles is a high priority. Also, giving the letterer enough space to be inspired and do their best work is the ideal, too.
 

I could easily ask you all day about how you seek out new ideas, talent, and pitches, but I won’t. However, how do you know when you’ve found something that not only resonates with you and your voice as an editor, but that might work for a publisher, and have the potential to earn a readership?
 

This is another great question! For me, finding something that resonates with you similar to when you hear your favorite song/finish a great book/the credits roll on your new favorite film. But—this is the tricky part—the times I have felt that greatest connection have been on projects that were ultimately rejected by Vertigo (or DC Comics in general), so it’s important to be able to be objective as well. Like you mention, there is so much that goes into a pitch’s approval or rejection: is it something that will work for the publisher, for the readership, can it sell? You ultimately have to take all that into consideration as part of the pitch process.

Pitches I loved got rejected. Pitches I didn’t completely understand went on to be big hits. When you’re pitching you’re in subjective hands of all involved parties… it’s intense but when it works, there are very few greater excitements for me.
 

What are some of the things you consider when finding a letterer to round out the creative team?

 

So much information and emotion are conveyed by the lettering, it’s important to find someone whose style can complement the art but still express the mood and ideas of all the dialogue and narration. Different styles are a match for different situations. The letterers themselves are always bringing new design ideas to each assignment, too. So working with someone open to collaboration is necessary for every member of the team.

I consider portfolios, previous work and the letterer’s interests and preferences, too… do they like a certain genre of storytelling? Do they like a certain writer or artist?


In your opinion/experience, what is the best way a letterer can get on an editor’s radar? And on the flip side, what is the best way to get on an editor’s nerves?
 

The best way is politely asking to send a portfolio or samples. I prefer via email but direct messages are fine (for me) as well. The worst ways are the passive route— tagging me in a post I’m not involved with or @-ing me on twitter.
 

Since going freelance, you also started Poison Press. What’s that all about? Any titles on the horizon?

 

Yes! Tim and I have a short story we’re hoping to release as mini-comics late this summer. The story is titled “Lieberstrasse” and it is a romance that takes place in the end of the Weimar Era in Berlin. It was definitely a challenging story to write but Tim’s art is just gorgeous and I’m very excited to get it out into the world.

Poison Press is actually Tim Fish’s own self-publishing imprint that he has published with for decades! Right?! It’s amazing. After I went freelance, we formed a comic making collective with Monica Gallagher to apply for conventions and festivals (and for me to gain experience self-publishing with Tim and Monica’s expert guidance). We’re constantly evolving the partnership but I just have to give credit to the true owner— I don’t want to take credit for Tim’s hard work, I just want him to collaborate with me until the end of the universe and beyond.

 

Something I ask everyone I interview…If you could only give one piece of advice, be it for lettering, editing, or life, what would it be?

 

Wear sunscreen.

It’s a dated joke but it relates to my real advice: be present in the moment and do your best (whether its your art or your life) when you are given opportunities.

In my personal experience, this is easier to say than do but it’s the advice I try to follow myself.

 

You can find out more about Greg at his website.

Interview roundtable with Buddy Beaudoin, Lucas Gattoni, Matt Krotzer, and Josh Southall

We're going to switch things up a bit this time around. Instead of talking to letterers’ who’ve already “made” it, I’ll be doing a roundtable with letterers who are maybe struggling a bit to find regular work; Buddy Beaudoin, Lucas Gattoni, Matt Krotzer, and Josh Southall.

Buddy Beaudoin

Buddy Beaudoin

I'm Buddy Beaudoin. I'm based out of upstate, NY. I've been working in comics one way or another for about the past five years. I started out writing my own books and went through all the pains and joys of self-publishing them. That decision led me to work with a lot of really great artists and I feel incredibly lucky for that. I continue to do that today. I run a small publishing imprint with friend and artist, Brennan Freemantle, called Gentlemen Pickle. I do most of the lettering for our books, but I've also recently lettered a book called Margo:Intergalactic Trash Collector and I'm wrapping up a project right now called The Underachievers.

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Lucas Gattoni

Lucas Gattoni

Lucas Gattoni is a seasoned graphic designer and typesetter now pursuing his dream job of comic book lettering, bringing over to this medium 15 years of professionalism and a lifetime passion for storytelling. He lives in his home country of Argentina with his husband and their five unnamed goldfish (oops, make that four now).

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Matt Krotzer

Matt Krotzer

Matt Krotzer gives voices to characters and adds sound to action. As a comic book letterer and graphic designer working for powerhouses like Image, Dark Horse, and many fine independent comics around the world, he’s collaborated with some of brightest artists in comics. He is an optimist and frequent champion of lost causes, regularly found cheering for the mighty Bengals of Cincinnati. Matt lives in suburban Pennsylvania with his wife, daughter and faithful feline companion, Teddy.

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Josh Southall

Josh Southall

I’m Josh Southall and I live in Phoenix AZ with my wife and 2 awesome kids. I’ve been lettering for about 6 years now, mostly for small press and indie titles. I recently wrapped a 100 page OGN called “Soulforge” for BackPocket Comics out of Northern Ireland and am now working on a 22 page one shot for a Kickstarter project that was recently funded.

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Now that you've met these young guns let’s get to it…

So you’ve somehow come to the conclusion that lettering is the right fit for you, why?

 
BB: I suppose I started lettering out of necessity. When Gentlemen Pickle was formed, it was mostly just myself and Brennan working on the books. We would get our books colored, but budgets for our books were super small. Brennan was already penciling and inking our stuff, as well as having a role in writing, whether it was editing my words or giving me ideas. So, I decided to give it a shot. This was before Adobe came out with Creative Cloud. I had a really old version of Photoshop Elements that came with a laptop and I learned to letter on that. My letters in those days look pretty awful, but I stuck with it. Luckily I have Illustrator today.
 
 For a short while, I was also a comic reviewer for a site called FanboysInc (currently Earplug Podcast Network). While reviewing, my main objective was to break down a book piece-by-piece and really try to explain why I have such a reverie for comics – or not, some books are bad and I had to cover those as well. I really started noticing lettering as a comic reviewer. I started reading other reviews and it  felt to me that a lot of folks were missing out on how vital lettering is to storytelling in comics.
That's kind of when I decided to take the plunge and figure out what it is about lettering that can make or break a book. I kept studying lettering while I was reviewing comics and it quickly became my favorite part of comic books. I think what most people don't realize is how nuanced lettering is. There are of course big lettering pieces that anyone can look at and recognize how much work went into them, but there's a lot that can go into making good lettering decisions – especially in indie books. Every panel has its own challenges.
 
LG: Because it was one of the reasons I began studying graphic design back in the late 90s! I’m a huge fan of stories in any media (movies, books, videogames) and I truly revere people who can imagine these new worlds and characters and bring them to life. I specially love comic books for the infinite possibilities they provide, and since I can’t draw much but wanted to be a part of this industry, lettering was my choice. 
 
I got my graphic design degree and then life got in the way; ten years later I found myself researching the internet for a completely different project and came across a forum that offered a couple of art pages and some lettering exercises. As soon as I got some off time I watched a couple tutorials, read lots of tips and how-tos (Jim Campbell’s blog and Blambot’s articles are a must!) and with over 10 years of daily mastering the software, and a lifetime of reading comic books lettering just came natural to me. 
 
I lettered those first seven pages, uploaded them to the cloud and got my first job lettering for a very small American publisher just two or three days later.
 
MK: I actually came upon it completely by accident. I found into a discussion online about GrayHaven Comics' latest "You Are Not Alone" anthology, and the editor of the book, Marc Lombardi, was responding to people, so I messaged him and expressed my interest in contributing my artistic skills. Unfortunately (or so I thought at the time) they didn't need any more artists. However, if I knew how to letter, they could really use some help in that regard. I knew the basics, and figured I could make my way through it, and it was for a great cause, so I'd happily jump in and help. I quickly discovered that I REALLY liked lettering, and that it dovetailed nicely with the skillset I'd developed as a graphic designer of 10+ years.  
 
JS: I began lettering my own books out of necessity, but after 3 books, I realized I really enjoyed the process and set out to learn more. I was lucky enough to have a very established letterer take a look at one of my books and give me some great feedback. After brushing up my skills I began lettering for OTHER people’s projects and found it just as rewarding to see the finished product. The challenge of getting everything just right and the rewarding feeling of being the first to see a comic complete kept me looking to do more and more. 
 
What’s your “day job”, and how are you finding time to letter comics, and further pursue your comics aspirations?
 
BB: I'm a full-time freelancer. Other than lettering, I'm an event and portrait photographer and I'm currently working on a photo book. Day-to-day, most of my freelance work is done for a comic book publisher called Ominous Press. I work on their various projects and also do some work for their sister company Sleeping Giant Collectibles. I'm pretty fortunate that my day job so heavily involves comics. Working with Ominous and Sleeping Giant has opened a lot of doors and I've been lucky enough to meet and befriend a lot of pretty amazing comic creators and it's definitely helped in getting more work as a letterer as well.
 
LG: I work as a prepress manager for an offset press print-shop, it will be my 15th year this next July.
 
It’s an 8 to 5 job, so I concentrate my main lettering hours during the weekends; Saturday and Sunday mornings are as productive as I can make them be! As the workload tends to be irregular and my employer is quite understanding, I can also get some lettering done during my working hours. On tight deadlines I’ve also lettered at night, but it hasn’t been the rule yet.
 
Working at a print-shop means dealing with problematic files every day of the week, and that has given me a lot of exercise and confidence in the quality of work I do and the files I can produce (something my clients are very appreciative of!).
 
I love lettering, and while my main goal is to someday letter at least a story for some of the big companies, I enjoy being a part of this industry and helping small creators have their voice out in a fashionable and legible way!
 
MK: I work as an Assistant Art Director for a direct-mail advertising company.
 
JS: For the last 10 years I’ve been a Customer Support Manager for various technology companies. Being that my day job was a 9-5 gig, I’ve been lucky to have a decent amount of time to letter at night after the kids are in bed. My wife has been super supportive as well to help me find time on the weekends when I have pages to work. I was laid off recently and have been hustling to try and snag more comic work while working odd jobs like part time delivery gigs etc. 
 
What are some of the biggest obstacles you’ve found in getting work?
 
BB: Lettering is a pretty bulk thing. If you're going to make a real living doing it, you need to have a lot of work and you need to be able to do it all day long. As a relatively unknown person who has never produced work for any of the major publishers, it's really difficult to get your name out. Also, there are a lot of people lettering now. When you do manage to get your name out, there are dozens of other portfolios in the mix and you just have to hope that you hear back about a job.
 
LG: Last year I really got as much work as I could do on my limited time frame, mostly lettering for independent creators (so I’ve usually dealt with writers and artists directly).
 
The biggest issue for me has been reaching out to established companies, as I’m pretty sure going through the regular submission channels leaves your portfolio floating in a sea of artists (I still send those emails once or twice a year). I haven’t managed yet to contact any known editors, so that’s my main concern now. Not living in the US means not being able to attend cons, which is where the best networking opportunities lie (as I’ve heard).
 
As a side note, I’ve recently noticed how a few quite seasoned letterers apply for work on the same blogs and Facebook groups where I do, so that sometimes means competing with household names. And most of the times, that means not getting those jobs. 
 
MK: Meeting and befriending the right people at the right time. I find that once someone's found a letterer they can rely on, they stay pretty loyal to that letterer. Which is awesome, once you're the chosen letterer. But there's a lot of luck involved in finding the right people to work with at the right point in time where they're looking. The downside is, when they're not working, you're not working. So it's a constant game of hide and seek, keeping your ears open, and doing the best work you can, when you have it.
 
JS: The world of comics is VERY small and the group of “working” letterers is even smaller. Being that lettering is pretty much the last step, I feel a lot of companies are hesitant to go with someone they’ve never worked with for fear of something going wrong. It’s understandable from a business stand point, but it makes breaking in as a letterer more difficult. I try not to take it personally and keep forging ahead.
 
How are you reaching out to editors, creators, and studios? How are you getting your work in front of them? Websites? Online portfolios?
 
BB: Anyway I can. There are various groups/message boards/subreddits for finding comic jobs. I reach out to as many of those as I can when I need work. I also post on Twitter and do a lot of pitching in person to folks I meet at conventions or other comic related events. Having an online portfolio definitely helps.
 
LG: Again, being a foreigner I exclusively use internet to reach out; I’ve found four or five forums where job needs are posted, and a couple of Facebook groups too.
 
I’d usually see an ad asking for a letterer and if the project suits me, I immediately send my speech stating rates and working dynamics (as a seasoned designer, I tend to be very meticulous with communication, details and deadlines). I also post ads every other month, where I present my portfolio or a couple of the last pages I’ve lettered, and I’ve had many contacts made through those too. I have an online portfolio on an art-oriented site, where I can organize my projects and present them neatly for everyone to see. Again, years as a professional have taught me you have to give a great first impression, and a good portfolio is key. I also try to be as active as I can on social media, updating my profiles on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter with my latest works, helping creators promote their projects and overall interacting with the lettering and comic book community.
 
MK: I do it in person, or not at all, really. And that might be to my detriment, but I haven't had much luck with cold-calling people and just letting them know I'm available (always with samples, though).
 
I try to get out to cons when I can, try to speak to editors if they're available at the publisher booths. Talk to writers and artists at their tables. I make sure to have a card and a sample of my work available at all times, even when walking the floor. You never know who you'll bump into.
 
JS: When companies have open submission forms on their site I’ve submitted to those (to no avail so far). I keep my eye open on Twitter for people working projects and offer my lettering services pretty regularly. Comic Cons are a great place to get in front of editors and studios, and I’ve seen a TINY bit of success in that. Most of the work I’ve gotten has been through old fashion hustling and networking; six degrees of separation and all that.  I have a lettering portfolio on my website so checking out my work is as easy as possible for any potential clients. People that don’t have an easy to find online portfolio confuse me. 
 
Do you think there’s some specific kernel of information that could make the transition of letterer in search of work to letterer with too much work? (Spoiler alert, there is no in between.)
 
BB: Realistically, no. There are a lot of people trying to work in comics and a lot of them are pretty talented. Not everyone is going to be lucky enough to make lettering a full-time job. It hasn't stopped me from asking pro letterers for some sage wisdom, but at the end of the day, I still have to do the work and I need to make the decision to learn every day.
 
LG: Well, the first of course is quality of work; and not just on the final product, but also meaning communication skills, commitment to a project, meeting deadlines, and offering a professional opinion when the creator is open.
 
Once that’s settled, I think getting published by a big company might do the trick. When you start getting your name attached to other known creators, I think that should change the status from “asking for work” to “being asked for projects”.
 
Networking and getting to know editors might be key too; I still don’t know if it’s completely OK to approach an editor online just to have your portfolio reviewed or your name added to a talent shortlist (as you’d do personally at a con). But it’s something I’ve considered too as they’re usually the ones who make the hiring decisions.
 
MK: I've found that even in my situation, as a part-timer who would love to make the transition to full time, it's very feast or famine. Projects, especially when you're working for a bevy of independent creators who are self-publishing, frequently shift their timelines and deadlines, and you can go from a situation where you think you've got some breathing room to a state of frenzy as art starts flooding your inbox along with completely revised scripts, all of which need to be done yesterday.
 
JS: If I had to pick of piece of INFORMATION, I would say being versatile in your lettering abilities. But to be honest I think the biggest thing to know in order to make that transition is a WHO and not a WHAT. Having the right PERSON recommend you for a more high-profile job could help you snag it and visa vi lead to more work. The trick is getting to know said mystery person and giving them a reason to put themselves out there on your behalf. Being that this would be either taking work out of their queue or putting their OWN name on the line (or BOTH) it’s understandable that this is easier said than done. In my experience however, letterers are a tight knit and amazingly friendly group who look out for each other so it’s definitely a possibility. 
 
Something I ask everyone I interview…If you could only give one piece of advice, be it for lettering or life, what would it be?     
 
BB: If you're passionate about something, go and do it. If you're passionate about a bunch of things, do all of them. It's a scary jump and you'll probably have a lot more failures than successes, but working on my passions has been the most fulfilling experience I've had. 
 
LG: If you do postpone your dreams for some reason, it’s never too late to pick them up! 
 
A couple of months ago I found a ten year old backup folder where I had compiled lots of lettering resources back then. In those days, internet was not as prominent as today, so maybe I came a bit too late to the game, but I’ll surely make the best of it now that I can.
 
MK: Make time for yourself and your family. Comics won't look after you when you're old.
 
JS: Don’t be a jerk. Like I mentioned before, the world of comics is very small and word travels fast. If you’re nasty, notoriously late or otherwise difficult to work with, people WILL know. On the flip side, if you’re easy to work with, reliable and generally pleasant to be around, people will talk you up. You’d THINK this would go without saying, but I see up and coming creators of all types blow it all the time. I guess this pertains to life outside of comics as well so there you go, two birds with one stone!

Interview with Deron Bennett

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Deron Bennett is an Eisner and Harvey nominated letterer of comic books. He writes Quixote and has worked for BOOM! Studios, DC Comics, Vertigo, Lion Forge, too many others, and runs Andworld Design. Right now he’s lettering one of the coolest books on the shelves, Death Bed, for Vertigo.
 

Obviously if you’re lettering comics, you love the medium, what was your journey from lover of comics to letterer? 

When I was little, I was heavily into comic strips, but not so much into mainstream comics. I’d read the Sunday funnies and borrow a bunch of collections from the school library; stuff like Mother Goose and Grimm, Garfield, and Calvin and Hobbes. So those were really my introduction to comics. Of course, I had been into Batman, Spider-Man, and Superman from the TV shows and movies, but they never really compelled me to read the comics. I just wasn’t aware of any comic shops around or anything other than the newsstands to buy them. It also didn’t help that I didn’t have a dollar to my name, so there was that as well. 

It wasn’t until the ‘90s that I started collecting. The X-Men animated series finally got me into a comic shop. I became a frequent buyer and, soon enough, Milestone Media came out with Icon, Hardware, Static, and Blood Syndicate. I hadn’t seen anything like it before. The Dakota Universe presented comics in a way to me that I thought, “this is how I want to tell stories.” I was always an artist. I planned on becoming an animator, but when I saw how these particular heroes developed, I started making my own comics. I decided to become a penciller and I followed that path all the way through college.

I went to SCAD and majored in Sequential Art. After I got my degree, I wasn’t sure how to go about landing a job in comics. In retrospect, I didn’t know the business like I do now. I didn’t know about going to conventions and submissions policies. Every job, I had gotten up to that point had been through classified ads, resumes, and interviews. So that’s what I did. I kept looking for entry level openings and internships. I eventually migrated out west because a relative of mine had connections at Warner Bros. While I waited for that to pan out, I continued to put out my resume and one eventually found it’s way to TOKYOPOP’s CCO. They called me in for an interview and I got a job as a freelance letterer on manga. 

From there, everything kind of snowballed. I really enjoyed what I was doing. I got hired full time after a few months and got deep into production and typography. It was a new puzzle for me. Eventually, I headed back east to my hometown, but continued with TOKYOPOP as a freelance letterer again. I’d get recommended to do more jobs in manga and through some of those business connections that I made, I found my way into lettering traditional comics. Been at it ever since.

What’s going on with Quixote? I read the first issue when it first hit Comixology and I’ve yet to see any more. Please tell me that you’re still working on it…? Are you writing anything else?

Quixote! I’m glad you asked. Yes, I am still working on it. My writing takes a back seat to everything else since that’s not what pays the bills. But I’ve made a commitment to return to the story this year. One of the biggest challenges with Quixote was losing my artist—the incredible Dan Mora. After the first issue debuted, he was immediately picked up by BOOM! and wasn’t able to return to the series. It really took me out of stride, so after unsuccessfully searching for a new artist I decided to put it on hold until I could figure out my next move. Which bring us to the present day. I’m currently planning some short stories to publish online. I’ll have different artists working on them so that I won’t be hampered down with finding a permanent creative team and it’ll also provide the opportunity to showcase some fresh takes on the characters and world. These stories will be sort of like side quests, so readers can get their Quixote fix while I work on the main adventure. I’m hoping to start rolling out those mini adventures this summer, so stay tuned for that. 

Aside from that, I’ve contributed a story to an anthology against bigotry and hate called The Good Fight. It’s still in development, but as soon as we have news to share, I’ll be sure to let people know. I’ve also been toying with the idea of a novel. It’s a little ambitious, I know, but it’s something I’ve wanted to do for a long time and I’m ready for it.

Glad to hear we can expect more Quixote adventures! Sounds like you’ve got a lot going on, and a lot of ideas for the future. How do you prioritize? 

I’m a deadline-oriented worker. Fixed deadlines are very helpful for me in determining how to schedule my workload. If I don’t have a deadline set in stone, I usually factor in the who, what, and when of the project to help me sort it out. 

Who’s it for? Is it a personal project, a favor, or is it for a new client? A lot of times, that relationship can help determine how to plan your time. In terms of personal projects, I look at its value to myself to help shift things higher or lower on priority scale.

What is the project? Is it book layout? A font commission? A novel? Those questions lead me to figure out how long it will take me to complete a project. Longer term projects can get spaced out accordingly. If it’s something that can take me hours instead of days, I can schedule that as needed.

The When is the simplest. If it’s due sooner, I’ll tackle it sooner. If we have a good lead time, I can structure milestones. If I know a client expects turnarounds at a faster pace, that also gets factored in. So I take all of these things into consideration and map it out in my task management program and take it from there.

What’s your typical day like? You’ve got a wife, 2 kids, you’re running Andworld, lettering high profile gigs, how do you pull it off?

With clients across multiple time zones, I usually work a 9 to 9. The day always starts off with coffee. It’s vital. I’ll spend the first half hour or so of my morning responding to emails and setting up tasks for the morning/afternoon shift. After that, I dig into whatever’s on the agenda. That can vary between lettering, corrections, production, or sending final files. Typically, I’ll knock out any corrections and production items and then I’ll go full steam on lettering a book. Once I’ve sent off a lettering proof, I switch back to project management. I make sure the AndWorld team has their assignments and follow up on any current progress. By that time, new tasks will have rolled in from clients so I’ll spend the day delivering on whatever needs have arrived. 

I think being part of a studio has really helped to mitigate some of the everyday demands. I have around 50 titles to manage each month and without a full squad of letterers and designers, I’d never be able to succeed. The studio really provides flexibility to do more. When it was just me, I’d work around the clock to keep up with everything. Now I don’t have to. I can spend time with the family, cook, and all of the other normal things (like sleep) because I have others to pick up where I need them to.

Managing a workflow, handling the business side of things, communicating on that many projects is a boatload of work on its own. Do you ever find the management duties of running a studio to be a drain on you creatively? 

It can be an obstacle at times, yeah. Sometimes, I want to get my hands in the mud, so to speak, but then I’ve got to take time to review projects, give feedback, or handle paperwork and finances. Managing a studio is definitely not something everyone is built for. You’re responsible for the livelihood of others as well as yourself. You also have an added responsibility of quality control so there are things that can make the job feel a little corporate at times. But there’s some overlap too. I really enjoy training sessions. I get to interact with my team and teach them some of the things I’ve learned in this business. Communication is very informal, too. We can joke and banter with each other while we’re discussing projects. So though running the studio isn’t necessarily a creative outlet, it mixes up the work so my day is never stale. 

When you get a new book, like Death Bed, for instance, what’s the first thing you do? How do you develop the lettering style?

On a new book, the first thing I do is get a sense of the art style because I believe that should dictate the lettering style. Is the style serious or cartoony? Does it have even line weights or varied? Line weights have a lot of impact on what I do since I prefer the balloon strokes to mimic the subtleties of the line. Time permitting, I’ll check out other work to draw some inspiration from. Not just other work from the same artist, but books that I feel possess a similar art style. If there are lettering styles that worked, I’ll reference them for some of my decisions. But, it shouldn’t be a direct copy. I try to choose unique styles so that everything doesn’t look the same. I determine what works, what doesn’t work, and try to improve where I can.  

For Death Bed, I felt like Riley’s style needed something loose with a hand-drawn feel. I didn’t want the line weights to be uniform. I also needed a font that complemented the weight of the balloon. At the same time, I was inspired by what Clem Robins was doing on Batman and The Shadow, so I looked for a font that resembled that. I selected a few different choices, but ultimately settled on a relatively new font that I’d picked up, Blambot’s Collect ‘Em All. I usually advise against using newly released fonts just for the sake of using the font, but this one seemed to fit perfectly. I spent some time ironing out some of the ideas with Josh and Riley and we settled on the final look that you see now.

Something I ask everyone I interview…If you could only give one piece of advice, be it for lettering or life, what would it be?      

I took this a long time ago from the intro to Jay-Z’s My First Song (and I’m paraphrasing), the key to success is to treat everything like it’s your first project. And I think you can apply that to outside of business as well. Don’t forget how it was when you first started; the desire and passion that was there. Keep that fire and run with it daily.

Deron's Site: http://www.andworlddesign.com

Interview with Joe Caramagna

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Joe Caramagna is a writer and letterer of comic books. He writes DuckTales and Frozen and has worked for Disney, Marvel, and IDW. He’s lettered some of the finest comic books around; Amazing Spider-Man, Marvel Universe: Ultimate Spider-Man, Iron Man & The Armor Wars, and many more.
 
You’ve lettered all the coolest Marvel titles for the last decade or so, what’s been your favorite? Why?
 
That’s so hard to answer because I’ve been lucky to have lettered so many great ones. As an Amazing Spider-Man fan - in fact, my first non-Archie comic was an issue of Amazing Spider-Man that a friend gave me when I was in 5th grade - it blows my mind every time I realize that my name has been in the credits of Amazing Spidey about a hundred and fifty or so times out of 800. That’s about 1in every 5 ever made. That’s crazy. And because of that, I’ve been able to continue reading Amazing Spidey for the past ten years for free, which is nice. And of course every book I’ve ever done with Mark Waid, Chris Samnee, and Matt Wilson has always been the highlight of that particular month-slash-year. They always brought out the best in me and made me want to do right by them. 
 
You’re also writing comics now. My son and I checked out DuckTales from IDW and loved it! Are you done lettering? Leaving behind the balloons and tails for that fancy writer credit on the cover?
 
I’m so glad you’re enjoying DuckTales - thanks so much! I’m definitely not done lettering, I’m still working on a bunch of titles every month. Lettering gives me the opportunity to read scripts from all different writers - and I’ve worked with some of the best like Waid, Dan Slott, Ed Brubaker - and I think that makes me a better writer. And it’s a nice break to be able to switch off between the two disciplines. When I get burned out on one thing for the day, I get to do something else and still spend my day making comics which is all I’ve ever wanted to do.
 
How long are you going to be writing DuckTales for? Any new projects we should be keeping an eye out for?
 
I plan on writing DuckTales for as long as they’ll let me! I am also writing a Frozen series for Disney Comics and Dark Horse that starts in August, and a not-yet announced graphic novel that should be out in the fall, but they’ll have to pry DuckTales from my cold, dead hands.
 
You’re a real human. You have a wife, three kids, all that comic book work and them pesky deadlines. How do you juggle it all and stay sane?
 
It’s much easier now than it used to be, that’s for sure. My two youngest are barely a year apart, and when they were babies, that was a real test. The house was so chaotic all day in those days that I ended up working late into the night every night. I barely slept and would take a bunch of naps instead. Going from man-on-man defense to a zone with your kids can make you crazy. That’s a sports reference, people! And in those days I was still trying to prove myself, too, so I didn’t allow myself any time off at all because I was afraid of losing my spot. As the kids got older, they needed less direct attention, and I was able to normalize my schedule. Also, those years went by so fast that I felt I needed to make some changes and slow down and appreciate things more. I became obsessed with efficiency - making to-do lists, updating my workflow, lettering actions, etc. and, most importantly, getting rest. I’m much more productive when I’m well-rested than when I’m not. That means no more all-nighters. I go to bed when the rest of the family goes to bed, I wake up nice and early for work, and I have scheduled breaks to keep me fresh. Work smarter, not harder. Now that my wife is working full-time again, I get to drive my kids to and from school and hear about their day and what they’re doing, what they’re reading... last year I even had enough time to be an assistant coach for my daughter’s basketball team. 
 
With your schedule being the way it is. Do you find yourself having to say “no”, or having to turn down a project/projects? Has saying “no” ever caused you friction?
 
I don’t usually say no to writing projects, but I have had to turn away lettering work. The best part about writing is that I can do it from anywhere – from bed, from the kitchen, from the beach (and I have done it from all of those places) – but lettering can only be done at my lettering station in my home office. I can’t letter books on a laptop anymore - the screen is so small and I have to keep scrolling to see what I’m doing. And there are also only so many hours per day I want to be stuck in the office. I want to see my kids, I want to go outside…
But you know how this business is. If you want to make a living, you have to stay very busy because stuff falls through, some jobs don’t pay right away, etc. Plus, when I’m busy, I’m focused. When I have plenty of time to do something, I spend most of that time playing hockey on X-Box. But I would be lying if I said that I wasn’t afraid of not being asked again if I say no to something.
 
As an Eisner & Harvey Award nominated letter, when you’re writing a project and not lettering it, do you find yourself directing the letterer? Do you offer any suggestions?
 
No, no way. Never. I know from having to deal with editors, writers, and sometimes artists who have specific requests that what they want doesn’t always work and it’s not always the best choice for the panel layout or the style of the book. I have plenty of opportunities to letter books my way, I don’t need to direct others to do it the way I’d do it.
 
Do you think you write differently as a result of being a letterer too?
 
For sure. For one thing, I make sure my scripts are super tight before I turn them in. I don’t rewrite panels and pages after they’re lettered. A letterer needs volume of work to make a decent living, and I’m not going to be the one to make them do extra work for free when they could be doing paid work with that time. I’m also a good judge of how much text can fit in any given panel because of my lettering experience.
 
Since you mentioned re-writing, have you noticed an uptick in writers that re-write their work? Have you had to discuss with a writer, or editor, how re-writing effects what you do as a letterer?
 
I guess “discussion” is a nice way to put it, haha. I’ve downright been a jerk about it quite a few times because some editor just happened to be the second or third editor who gave me rewrites to letter in a short period of time, and it was the final straw. And it’s not only because letterers typically don’t get paid for “corrections” even though they aren’t really lettering corrections, they’re SCRIPT corrections, but also because that’s time away from doing PAID work, or spending time with my kids, or sleeping, or whatever. I think as Marvel has hired new writers from outside of comics, there has been an uptick in rewrites, and it’s not that they aren’t good writers because in some case they’re amazing writers, but they’re inexperienced at writing comics. Writing comics is unlike writing anything else, and I think sometimes executives and editors take for granted that it’s a skill that the comic book writers have been studying and perfecting their entire lives and sometimes they make it look easy. Some of the powers-that-be are under the impression that as long as you are a good storyteller, or a great writer in another medium, then you can write a great comic book and that’s certainly not necessarily true. 
 
Something I will be asking everyone I interview…If you could only give one piece of advice, be it for lettering or life, what would it be?     
 
Give yourself permission to fail. No one thing is your be-all, end-all, and just about everyone in this business failed many times before they succeeded. If you’re afraid to fail, you won’t take any chances, you’ll be paralyzed by fear. But if you give yourself permission to fail, you’ll go for what you want, and if you fail, it’ll sting a little, but you’ll learn that life goes on and you’ll get another chance. The only REAL failure is when you stop trying.

Go check out Joe's Site: http://www.squareheadentertainment.com/

Interview with Todd Klein

Working at DC Comics, 1979. Photo by Jack Adler

Working at DC Comics, 1979. Photo by Jack Adler

Todd, since I began my career in lettering you’ve been not only a source of inspiration, but a source--a veritable fountain--of knowledge on the craft. Your website, blog, and co-authored book The DC Comics Guide to Coloring and Lettering Comics (essential reading for the budding letterer) combine to make one hell of a master class. It’s clear you’re passionate about the profession, but I’ve got to ask; have you ever fallen out of love with lettering?

If so, what brought you back?

I’ve always liked and been interested in hand-drawn lettering. My mother’s father worked with hand-drawn or painted letters in several ways: sign painting, calligraphy and engraving. These were all side-line jobs he did in addition to his main full-time job working for Mack Trucks. As a child, he gave me some Speedball pens and ink, with some alphabets he’d drawn for me to copy. Later, when I discovered Tolkien’s “The Hobbit” and “The Lord of the Rings,” I became enamored with the Elvish alphabet Tolkien created, and often imitated it. Tolkien’s own signature uses a very similar style, and I stole it for my own professional signature, which was pretty easy, as our names share many letters.

When I began lettering comics, I found the same enjoyment in doing that hand-made work as I had with calligraphy. Later, in the 1990s, when I began doing digital lettering, much of that particular pleasure was lost, except when I was creating my own fonts from letters I drew. However, by that time, I was finding it harder to produce large amounts of lettering by hand due to some arthritis pain, so the gradual transition worked out well for me, and I never really got tired of lettering.

Is there anything you letter by hand today? Or maybe some title/logo work that starts off on paper and gets digitized along the way?

Yes, logo designs often begin with hand-drawn sketches that I scan and trace with Adobe Illustrator. I haven’t lettered a comics page by hand in a few years now.

You began lettering comics in 1977 and watched the industry go from all the lettering being done by hand to almost all of it now being done digitally. What do you think of the current state of lettering and where do you see it going from here?

There are many fine comic-book fonts available from ComiCraft and Blambot. If I did not have my own, I would probably use them. There are many letterers doing good with with those fonts, but also many inexperienced users whose work is not good. The ability to tell the difference comes with practice and experience. Unfortunately, there are now far more people who want lettering work than there is available work, which puts downward pressure on pay rates and encourages letterer abuse. I don’t see that situation improving any time soon, nor do I see any solution for it.

Do you think that digital lettering has led to the increase of letterers, or the downward pressure on pay rates?

Yes, it makes it easier for anyone to get a result that’s at least readable in most cases, a process that took a lot more effort and practice for hand-letterers. Doing digital lettering WELL takes more effort and practice, but the starting point is further along. This encourages more people to take it on, and creates more letterers pursuing each potential lettering job.

Those of us in this profession live and die by deadlines. There are companies and editors and books that can sometimes be very demanding time-wise. Revisions are often expected to be turned around quicker and quicker. How do you handle it? Do you have set working hours? Just say no?

Yes, I generally have set working hours, starting around 7:30 AM, breaking for exercise and dinner around 3PM, and if needed another hour or two in the evening. I will work later in the afternoon to meet a rush deadline if I have to, but try to avoid that. Most editors are doing the best they can with the deadlines they have, and we work things out between us.

Were deadlines any easier before the days of digital lettering?

Not really. In my younger days, I was more willing to work longer hours and even all night on occasion, but that gets old, and now I won’t do that. At almost 67, I am willing to say no to impossible deadlines.

Do you think saying no has ever led to you losing future work? What would you say to someone just getting into lettering that may be uneasy saying no?

This is something you have to learn and decide for yourself. In my case, I have a long track record to back up any decision I make, and the confidence in those I work for. No, in my case, I don’t think it has led to losing future work unless it was work I didn’t want anyway.

You’ve earned a few awards over the years. Were there ever times you doubted yourself? Times maybe between the accolades, or before, when you questioned your abilities? If so, what kept you going?

One thing I believe is that, to continue to improve, you have to be your own harshest critic. When I look at my own work, I see the things I wish I had done better. That doesn’t mean I hate what I’ve done, just that I will never stop trying to do better, and keep looking for ways to make that happen. Awards are great, but never something I aspired to, and I’m always surprised when I win one.

If you could only give one piece of advice, be it for lettering or life, what would it be?      

Find work you enjoy doing, and learn to do it well. Always strive to do it better. That’s the best entry into a successful work life.

If you’re new to lettering you should go to Todd's Site: https://kleinletters.com